Most of the Atheists with whom you interact live in majority Christian countries, so they are naturally going to be more concerned about the dominant religion in the country in which they live.
Thats an interesting point. However Islam is the fastest growing religion. More and more Mosques enter American streets. I don't see anyone in Atheists community really caring much at all. Could they know something that is really a bigger issue that Islam is actually a false religion, and they don't concern themselves with it, rather focus on the actual threat?
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Technically, I'm an agnostic theist, not an atheist, but I stated in a thread in the religious forum why I think Islam gets a deservedly worst reputation than Christianity regarding human rights, so speaking for myself, I do not hold Christianity "in higher concern". I have spoken out against both religions.
I do not think they are in the sense that in the West, Christianity is the huge majority religion.
If I wanted to chat with Muslims I would not be able to find many.
I am not an atheist but to Muslims I would be close enough and if they were the predominant religion in my area, the West, then I would be chatting with them more than Christians.
Both religions are homophobic and misogynous and not worthy of modern peoples who have morals.
You're kind of twisting the question, though it effectively answers itself.
First, the point is, why should atheists concern themselves with any religion? Most don't- they don't care at all. You give the impression that atheists are all militant religion haters who 'concern' themselves constantly.
So if you then push that to the subset of atheists who to actively get involved with trying to debate and/or combat religion, then Adam PoE answered the question- you re interacting with people where the religion they are by a long way most likely to encounter and identify a need for engagement with is Christianity. If I was a politically active atheist in the US and was lobbying to reduce religious influence on the political system, then what is 99% of that influence? Christian, so I would inevitably engage there. If you lived in, say, Turkey, the atheists there (assuming you met one who cared to engage in such debate at all) would concern themselves primarily with Islam.
So, simple as that. Your idea that there is some sort of acceptance of Islam and not of Christianity is entirely false.
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I am not an atheist but disagree. I think that I and others who fight the mainstream homophobic and misogynous religions do it for altruistic reasons.
I do not mind quoting one of the few words of wisdom in the bible.
Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
We try to correct foolish and damaging thinking. We are not so much against religions as we are against literal reading and what that has done to what were initially decent moral religious traditions.
For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.
Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.
When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.
How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?
Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.
We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.
It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.
Disagree with what? Whether they do concern themselves or whether they should? If the former, you are wrong- that's simply the way it is. They do not concern themselves; they just get on with their lives.
If the latter, that seems a rather militant view. There are more constructive ways to progress than constant confrontation.
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I disagree with, --- "Most don't- they don't care at all."
Logically, if they did not care, they would just ignore those they think are fools.
Not all care of course but most have a decent sense of social conscience and do not like to see their fellow man make a fool of himself by losing his common sense and falling into foolish supernatural and superstitious beliefs.
All humans are altruist and to think that atheists are not is quite disingenuous.
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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
Those two quotes show what many believe.
I linked and showed some of the more immoral Christian activities above.
How would you tell a Christian that gays should not be killed if you were talking to those who helped push that law in Uganda without sounding confrontational?
Regardless of what you think of their logic, you are still wrong. Most atheists do not care enough about religion to engage with it in any form. Incidentally, most people do ignore people they think are fools.
This has no connection to the word 'disingenuous' in any shape or form. Most people just aren't militant, and it is absurd to expect them to be.
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I very much doubt that you being super-confrontational in such an extreme example would help either. You're also just latching onto Christianity as the source of all evil here, whereas this is really much more of a deeply engrained cultural issue in areas with poor human rights records.
In the long-term, simply building decent secular human rights constructions will win out. The world is already better than it was for such efforts.
Yours is dangerously close to the language of the fanatic- which would make you part of the problem.
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