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Pope Francis: "Athiests can go to Heaven"


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It's a nice notion and it sounds like the core of his message is that it doesn't matter what you believe, but rather what kind of person you are. Though I would ask him if that is the case why the first 3 commandments have to do with how you need to believe specifically in God?

I would wonder how people like Star feel about this. Since I know religious people who would find what the pope just said to more or less be blasphemy.


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It's a nice notion and it sounds like the core of his message is that it doesn't matter what you believe, but rather what kind of person you are. Though I would ask him if that is the case why the first 3 commandments have to do with how you need to believe specifically in God?

I would wonder how people like Star feel about this. Since I know religious people who would find what the pope just said to more or less be blasphemy.



It's no secret the Pope is a false prophet and a leading figure in the ecumenical movement. The Bible clearly says that salvation is a GIFT of God, NOT of WORKS, lest any man should boast.


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I thought the pope was supposed to be infallible or something?


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I thought the pope was supposed to be infallible or something?


To Catholics, he is the Vicar of Christ.


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To Catholics, he is the Vicar of Christ.


So then to you who is the true pope? By this I mean which person currently alive today do you think embodies what you think the pope should embody?


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If Christ isn't the way to salvation, the Pope should just disband the Catholic church. What is the point of worshipping Christ if you can find salvation outside His Word. No reason to congregate, you can seek your own path.


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So then to you who is the true pope? By this I mean which person currently alive today do you think embodies what you think the pope should embody?


I'm not Catholic, so I can't answer that. I follow Christ.


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It's no secret the Pope is a false prophet and a leading figure in the ecumenical movement. The Bible clearly says that salvation is a GIFT of God, NOT of WORKS, lest any man should boast.



Agree 100%.


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Since the pope is a false prophet nothing he says holds any more weight then his own hot air.


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Wouldn't he make a better Anti-Christ then Obama?


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Wouldn't he make a better Anti-Christ then Obama?



Neither one. The Antichrist will eventually accept worship from people. I doubt people would view the pope in that light.


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The pope is one of satans minions.


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It's no secret the Pope is a false prophet and a leading figure in the ecumenical movement. The Bible clearly says that salvation is a GIFT of God, NOT of WORKS, lest any man should boast.



Jesus was kinda really really clear on the need to help others:

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Matthew 25

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”



Sure, other pieces of the Bible emphasize other parts, but I'm of the opinion that Jesus kinda trumps other Biblical speakers.


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Jesus was kinda really really clear on the need to help others:




Sure, other pieces of the Bible emphasize other parts, but I'm of the opinion that Jesus kinda trumps other Biblical speakers.


Jesus also said, No man cometh to the Father but by me.

Jesus does want us to help others, but He was clear concernung the plan of salvation also.


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Jesus also said, No man cometh to the Father but by me.

Jesus does want us to help others, but He was clear concernung the plan of salvation also.




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Jesus also said, No man cometh to the Father but by me.

Jesus does want us to help others, but He was clear concernung the plan of salvation also.


But what is exactly "going to the Father through Jesus"?

Whether atheists can go to Heaven is part of a bigger debate, which is "can people who never heard of Christ be saved"? Depending to your response to that questions, some kinds of atheist would or wouldn't belong to a list of potential candidates to salvation.

God is the one who decides which people get saved though, this discussion can only assume to "limit the choices" so much.


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Jesus (a man) says one thing, and his pope (a man) says another. It's almost like the whole things is human-contrived hogwash.


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