That guy sucks. I've seen videos with him and heard him speak.
He even appeared on Sam Harris' podcast and he's really not that great. He got hung up on things not being true if they cause problems for humanity. He's really quite fundamentally flawed.
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Last edited by Patient_Leech on Nov 16th, 2017 at 08:30 PM
I really think he's flat out wrong about some of his major points...
He sounds like he might be intelligent and convincing, but he's really just using the same old tired arguments like "there's no morality without God," and his premises are way off. For example his claim that there's no rational argument against being a psychopath in the world? That makes no damn sense at all. That's now how we evolved. We evolved by making the best of our relationships with other people and making this world more pleasant because this existence is all there is that we know of. He's completely confused at a fundamental level.
Jordan Peterson actually reminds me of this guy from an old recurring sketch on In Living Colour...
We've had a similar moral compass since early in mankind's evolution, and long before any religion known. Anthropologists have seen similar family/villager setups that we see today. Really, there are only a handful of laws that I can think of that are universally spread throughout the religions which are the basics accepted by humanity. All other religious "laws" are completely culturally influenced.
If there was a one true god, or even a crew of gods who were hell bent on our morality, why wouldn't we all agree on the same morality whether we followed it or not?
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Last edited by socool8520 on Nov 17th, 2017 at 01:57 PM
If you don't believe in God, then basically you don't believe in Good and Evil! LOL.
You see, ALL CIVILIZATIONS (Egyptians/Greeks/Romans/Mayas/Aztecs/Chineese etc.) based their "morals" on a Supreme Being (Not necessarily the Christian/Jewish Religion).
Morality was founded on the concept of Good and Evil! Where as if we are Good! Then we are accepted/rewarded in some sort of way by this Supreme Being or entity, whereas if we are BAD then we are going to get this punishment.
Our current laws are founded on the Religious Concept of Good and Evil.
So if you don't believe in God/Religion then there is no reason for you to be moral.
I mean Morality and Religion are bound together!
If there is NO GOD, then there is no JUDGE/ARBITRARY to dictate what i CAN DO OR CAN'T DO.
Why should then i be moral if i don't believe in a God?
The fact that you don't believe in God does not undermine the fact that our morality is predicated on the notion of transcendence.
BTW he is not even arguing for the existence of God per se. He argues that the ideal that some would call God (Logos) is the prerequisite for morality.
I recommend watching the second clip I posted. He gives a lucid explanation there.
I agree that a notion of the afterlife at least, has been with us for awhile, but I don't think it has ultimately shaped our morality. It has been an influence, but I think survival and having to stick together influenced our cooperation, and ultimately, forced us to treat each other better. just my opinion though.
We are a species put on this planet to survive and progress just like everything else. We have basic laws of morality and behavior that we all share for a mutual benefit. The fact that we are capable of critical thinking allows us to modify our morality slightly given our surroundings. Nothing supernatural about it. I don't need anything more nor do i see evidence of it.
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