sorry but Goku has always been better, even when they first fought he was less powerfull, but he was still the best fighter, Everything comes natural to guku, but Vegeta has to work extreamly hard to catch up just to be surpassed again
It is a well known fact Goku is stronger then Vegeta.....
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in ss3... goku obviously (since vegeta's stuck at level 2)
in ss4... goku... just more impressive and more durable...
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SSJ2- Goku (Vegeta needed Majin just to be even with Goku.. he is weaker)
SSJ3- Goku
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Sense SpellJammer is one of those fans that believe anything after Frieza saga doesn't count, he's going to give it to you straight. (And you're no newbie, so there's no excuses..) Vegeta could never beat Goku..
At the end of Frieza saga Goku go's super saiyan reaching a power level of 15,000,000 as stated by Akiara Toyimara. However, Vegeta probably wouldn't break Goku enough to let him reach that form. So this would almost be an even fight with Vegeta at 80,000 and being a whole lot meaner versus SonGoku at 100,000. But the agression tactic quickly dissipates as Goku still has the KO-Kan. Which will make this fight not last very long.. Though for traditional reasons, it will last 3 episodes anyway..
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yes it's true vegeta needed to be majin for the power boost.. however you seem to think that since he was given the boost he didn't retain the power.... or that his power in that form doesn't count...
not accurate at all... no one ever powered him down.. and he was easily able to go into ss2 after he died... every one of his feats as an ss2 is more impressive than gokus... this includes his fights with ss2 goku, kid bu, jenemba.. and especially hildigarn... (depending on how you take your canon material...)
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you are aware that the two times they actually fought vegeta had the upper hand in both battles right?
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holding back? no... he was using ss2 and got pimp slapped like a little beeeyatch.... in other words ss2 vegeta was better than him and would win in an ss2 battle...
your other points are irrelevant to your original statement... which was..
obviously you were wrong..
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so he couldnt of popped into ss3? he didnt want to hurt vegeta's pride.
and wanna know why he wouldnt lose???Akira would never let it happen becasue goku is the moneymaker.
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Goku even stated he had an ace up his sleeve super saiyan 3 and just didn't want to kill Vegeta/waste all his energy..
Anyway as said, anything beyond Frieza saga doesn't count. The power levels just got too outrageous. Even the offical Gohan ssj2 who was suppose to be the most powerful character in all of Z was at 300,000,000 as stated by Akira Toyimara. He wanted to stop at Freiza saga which he should've.. 15,000,000 may be high but it's a large differance..
Either way Goku wins. SpellJammer just doesn't like to count after-Frieza sagas that way there's atleast a SLIM chance characters from other shows could tackle them..
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Tie. When SS2 Vegeta and ssj2 Goku fought they were pretty even. The first time they fought, I have to give it to Vegeta. Goku had alot of help to bring Vegeta down the first time.
no you're missing the point.. vegeta had the upper hand in their ss2 forms... thus... in an ss2 battle... and infact in THAT battle vegeta would have won plain and simple...
read my original post in this thread if you're really having that much of a difficult time understanding the concept..
you said goku wouldn't lose EVER... my point.. he basically did... twice..
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that's why i don't go by power levels after the frieza saga.. I use feats.. it counts... you probably mean it's simply to difficult to accurately guage...
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