Read the Silmarillion. During the First and Second Age of Middle-Earth he was Sauron's master. Morgoth's war destroyed huge parts of northern Middle-Earth.
Morgoth did not go out in single combat against them, he used his servents to attack them, it was a full scaled war.
He could never walk on his foot again when Fingolfin cut him on his foot, and was wounded by about 7 normal sword attacks, guess what Ganon could do. He actually (for a long time) resisted the greatest weapon made to destroy evil ever.
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Still, I have never heard of him fighting all the Valar and being a match to them all at the same time, I just knew that he was chained and captured, not much of a match there. (Mabey I'm wrong).
Same thing as with Sauron here, Morgoth can't simply kill Ganon as far as I know off.
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Morgoth was said to be equall to Aulė who was said to be the strongest Vala. And don't you know the prophecy of the Final Battle? If it was that Morgoth Ganon wouldn't stand a slight chance of defeating Melkor the Dark Enemy but this is before Morgoth went around giving his power to his creations and becoming weak.
Morgoth is a Vala (which is the Gods of Middle-Earth) and Ganon can't do anything to defeat him.
I would really like to see Ganon try to defeat Morgoth (please log in to view the image)
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Morgoth hasen't got anything to wound Ganondorf. Morgoth is the complete opposit of light, which means he is the complete opposit of what can kill Ganondorf.
An elven sword cut through his armor, he could never walk with that leg again after that.
When Ganondorf was knocked out by Link, he still had the power to crush the whole tower, then transform to Ganon, and after that they could only banish him, not kill him. They trapped him when he was weakend, making him unable to destroy the world, they never completed to kill him although they had the one thing said to be able to kill him.
By Ganondorfs sheer will, he was able to lock Zelda inside a crystal, even with her triforce power and magics she could not get out.
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And guess what? I guess you don't know but the elves are great when it comes to forging weapons for they created Sting and elves are the greatest when it comes to forging weapons for their swords are light and powerful and who's to say that the sword didn't have magic like Sting. Not to mention you keep saying Ganon can't be killed expect by the Master Sword or Light/Silver Arrows but Morgoth can still be the living hell out of him until he can't walk.
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you meant to say "but Morgoth can still beat the yarara...", right?
Tsk tsk tsk, how is Morgoth gonna do that with weapons opposite to the master sword & light arrows?
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The master sword is a one of a kind. It was made by the gods, it is the ultimate weapon against evil, that is totally true. That the elves could make one exactly like that is an assumption from you.
How could Morgoth beat the hell out of Ganondorf, attacks doesent hurt him at all. Valoos fire didn't hurt him a scrath, a sword to the head didn't hurt him a scratch.
Could you give me the page in Silmarillion where he fought the gods, all at once and made a battle of it (not loosing instantly). Even though his power might be stronger than Ganon's he still can't beat him.
Also, Ganondorf could create creatures too, like Phantom Ganon and puppet Ganon. They too can only be destroyed by lightarrows and the master sword.
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I guess you never played the Four Swords Adventures. The Four Swords were hurting Ganon and he was even gasping for air. Also Phantom Ganon was destroyed by the Four Swords.
Melkor fought with the other Valar for a long time for the control of Arda. While he was the single most powerful Vala, he was not able to stand up to the might of all other Valar combined.
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The four swords needed to be combined to destroy him, they were special swords they too, they too did only banish Ganondorf from Hyrule, they never killed him. It required four Link's to defeat him there.
As I said I have a theory that Ganon/Ganondorf grows weaker since every game, you keep posting new facts where Link is able to defeat Ganondorf but avoid the ones saying that Link is the only one that actually can defeat him. He has the perfect weapons against Ganondorf, still, he is only able to wound him and fautige him so the sages can capture him, if he could kill him at those moments he would.
Light defeats Ganondorf, Morgoth is darkness. Ganondorf is also immune to normal attacks.
Is it just me or do you feel like these debats are never gonna end?
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They weren't made to kill darkness so, no. The four swords arent just any swords, combined they are much more.
6 trolls was able to carry and attack with that hammer, and they didn't break the gate until after many hits. Valoo (the dragon in WW) blew his incredibly strong fire breath so Ganons whole tower fell, still, Ganondorf wasent wounded a bit.
And it's not only because of Ganons invincibility he is good, he is incredibly strong. When he was knocked out his rage made him destroy a whole tower, he could combine all of his lightning bolts into an incredibly strong attack. He could fight as Ganon, an almost unstoppable beast with two giant swords, one elven sword in the foot was enough to cripple Morgoth.
If you don't wound Ganondorf with light arrows before you attack, he is invincible.
Could Morgoth fly?? (Proof).
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So let's get this straight. The only reason Ganon would win was because he is invincible and yet Morgoth (before he gave his power to his creations) wouldn't be able to do anything to harm Ganon?
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