Greetings everyone, I just stumbled upon this site today and it definitely has me very intrigued. I feel so nerdy doin this but its just so fun to have "who would win" discussions, I love it. Buuuuut, first off I wanted to bring up a couple things (im gona ramble here for a bit). It seems that most of the discussions here are viewed from different perspectives. I was readin through and I see alotta people sayin things like "dante cant die, hes invulnerable" or "juggernaut is impenetrable" and things like that. Well yeah, in DMC Dante cant die in the cutscenes, but when your actually playing the game of course he can die, I mean, he would have to or else the game would be really easy. And then you look at someone like Solid Snake, and if he got shot in one of the cutscenes in MGS he would most definitely die, because theyre realistic. But then he can withstand multiple shots in the actual game. In both these instances it would be unfair to use the characters "cutscene/realistic" version. Soooooooo basically what Im tryna say here is that I think all the battles should be discussed from an in-game standpoint. Im just sayin that because it doesnt seem like everybody here is on the same page in that regard. And to take it a step further, I think each battle should be a matter of which character gives you the best chance of winning, as in you get to choose to play as one of the characters with their same controls n everything from their game. So like, if its Samus vs whoever in a battle, anyone who plays as Samus has to use the first person view, but they also get the advantage of the targeting system. So if you choose Samus to win its because you think you would be best off playing as him rather then the other character. But then maybe his opponent is a 3rd person fighter, and is able to move his camera and look around, giving him an advantage. Anyway, I just think its more interesting if its "who would win out of us if we got to play as so and so" as opposed to "who would win out of them." nome sayin?
But anywaaaaaaaayyy, with that in mind, heres a battle that I think could be a very good matchup.
Master Chief vs Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
Now we could either do MC from Halo 1 vs JD from Perfect Dark 1 or MC from Halo 2 vs JD from PD Zero.......or, we could combine them, which I think would be the best way. Soooooo, both characters would have their same abilities, life bars, controls, etc. from their latest game, but they could also have their weapons and such from their first game. So MC could have the pistol from H1 (but you wouldnt be able to dual wield it) and Joanna could have guns like the farsight and the mauler. And as far as health goes, we'll give Joanna the armor she wears in multiplayer in PDZ.
K so heres a quick breakdown:
Master Chief-
You can pick any two weapons to start out with, or 3 if your primary is a dual wield.
You start with default ammo, so if you pick a rocket launcher you only get those 4 rockets.
You start with 4 stickies and 4 frags.
Joanna Dark-
You can pick 2-4 weapons depending on their size.
You start with default ammo as well.
Advantages/disadvantages:
MC can jump, JD can roll (which disables auto-aim). MC’s health recharges, JD has weaker armor (less health). MC has stronger, faster, more accurate melees, JD can steal weapons. MC can throw grenades while holding any weapon, JD has a secondary function for all her weapons (which means more tricks, such as seeing and shooting through walls, cloaking, holograms, sentry guns, proximity/remote mines, fly-by-wire rockets, etc.). MC has much better auto-aim, JD can drop her weapons (which disables auto-aim). MC has a motion sensor, JD has a sound detector.
Ok , I think that’s about it. I know I went really overboard on this but I was really bored and couldn’t sleep. Oh and the game is to 10 points, played in the complex. Sooooooooo yea, who would give you the best chance of winning if you were playing as one of them?
cmon, I know yall halo fans and perfect dark fans out there have an opinion on this, or do you guys not respond to threads made by new people? or maybe I just typed too much....here, pretend I just said,
Sorry, it just took me so damn long to read that post. lol
Anyway, on your little schpeal on how the winner in a game fight should be determined. I agree with using exact game mechanics, but only to an extent. I think it would be fine to use game mechanics in the scenario you have given; as they are both shooting games but consider a situation like this: Ryu vs. Kirby. Now, Ryu is obviously the winner, but they belong to two totally different genres. Ryu is a fighting game character. Kirby is a very original adventure type game. Now throw kirby in the Street Fighter world and he'll get the crap beat out of him. Throw Ryu into dreamland and Kirby has to have a chance to suck him up, copy his power, whatever. Obviously, in a real fight Ryu would not succumb to kirby's inhalation at all. Also, we know a lot about Ryu from the Street Fighter anime series, while we know only about Kirby from what is in his games. Some characters have outside information to draw on other than just the game itself.
Ok I'm done. I'm undecided on your match up though as of now.
oh and btw, you'll find that the "games versus" forum is kinda slow, people don't respond here as fast cuz there aren't as many of them as there are in other forums. So you'll have to get used to waiting a while for replies.
Yea it definitely doesnt work with all scenarios. Though I would never even participate in a discussion that has someone like kirby or yoshi vs a realistic character. Its just dumb. But yea the whole "2 different worlds" thing can be tricky. I mean what if it was Master Chief vs Solid Snake, one person uses 1st person view while the other uses 3rd person. But then would it be where one sniper shot to the head from MC would kill Snake? (like it does in halo) or would snake be able to take multiple shots (like he does in MGS). So theres always some controversy when it comes to hit damage, but then yude also have to think about hit reactions. Like if you have Dante hit MC with his sword, does MC flinch? (which would disable MC's actions and enable dante to get off combos.) I would have em flinch, but of course thats not what happens in halo, if you hit em with a plasma sword they can still shoot and attack back. So I guess that would be another instance of changing the fighters "world." But Im just real interested in ppls opinions when real game mechanics are considered, (I major in game design so all I think about is game mechanics) I just think its fun to see who ppl would actually play as.
and yea just at first glance to me it seemed like this was one a those fast forums, where ppl are always on it and replying instantly.
Oh and far as the matchup goes, I honestly believe that if I'm playin as Joanna against ANYONE playin as master chief, I would kill you. I mean, what would you do when I get back in a corner, set up a laptop gun or maybe some proximity mines around me, and then just start pickin you off through walls with my farsight? Now yea if I ever get close to you then ima get owned, but as long as I stay far way, behind walls, then that farsight is gona be bring me to victory. And if it were Joanna from PD1, then I would really kill you, then I could have 6 weapons and bring out that fly-by-wire rocket atchya too.
i see ur points..but game mechanics really makes it less interesting (to put it nicely) in seconds. if it were placed in real life, things become much more exiting.
Well aiming in Halo is alot easier than in Perfect Dark. It's alot easier for Chief to throw grenades too seeing as he only has to press one button whereas Joanna has to select it, then throw it, then go back to her weapon. That takes up alot of time where Chief can do it in a second flat and have his weapon back in his hand to force Joanna into a corner.
Chief jumps too. Plus when ever Joanna does a roll that actually makes her weaker and thus takes more damage from gunfire.
Plus Chief can do a melee attack without having to have no weapons equipped, unlike Joanna.
Chief would just use the Brute Shot and ricochet the grenade rounds
Chief would simply just lob some grenades to force Joanna out.
Plus Chief is wearing a suit of armour unlike Joanna's "shield", then Chief also has his rechargeable shield.
Joanna does run awfully slow in PDZ and when compared with Halo it can easily be seen that Chief is going a hell of alot faster than she is.
That's all for now. I'll wait till I see your reply.
YES!!! FINALLY! this is what I wana see! Let the debate begin!
Ok, first off, Joanna CAN melee with any weapon in PDZ, its the B button, just like Halo. (in PD1 she cant tho, but were usin her PDZ form.) Now about your "just ricochet the grenades" strategy, that would take an incredible amount of aim and luck no matter what corner im in. and that bruteshot really isnt good at ricocheting. I mean it only bounces once and then it explodes. You wouldnt be able to hit me unless you could see me. Yude be better off just trying to throw grenades and bounce them to try and hit me, and you only have 4 a those. But theres so many corners and rooms where that wouldnt work. Ya know the level complex? its in goldeneye and PD1, if this fight took place there, then Joanna could get up in that highest spot back in that corner room, theres really not a place that you can throw grenades too. But you wouldnt even be able to get close, cuz ima be snipin you with the farsight before you can even think about chunkin some grenades. Plus before you get in range to throw em, you gotta worry bout takin out my laptop and proximity mines too.
Well if Joanna is starting with the farsight then Chief should be armed with the overshield and camo, that should give him enough time to race up to Joanna before he dies.
Remember Chief has the advantage of being able to jump, and thus could jump like crazy to avoid the shots.
chief has this fliping a 66 ton tank he has uber strength. any of chiefs guns would kill JD. plasma weapons would simply burn her. as for shooting threw walls thats very well but chief has a shield which would take the impact then after the first shot just jump everywere till he found JD. he has speed power and inteligence over JD
Ok, yea I think it would be fair to give MC an overshield and camo, then I would say it would probably take about 2-3 shots with the farsight to take em out. But yea it would be alot harder to hit em when hes jumpin around n stuff, but also ya know their not fightin in a lil room. I mean its not like MC can just run straight toward JD and take her out with a rocket or sword. Their gona spawn on completely different sides of the map.
I got to say Joanna cause she is hot and I don't like Halo and its characters at all... In real life this would be really unfair, cause MC has those recharging shields and etc...
The only normal humans that can beat superhumans are the Punisher and Batman, the Chief kills her
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Mar 8th, 2006 08:56 AM
I'm undecided on your match up though as of now.
