Revan has force mastery, and is pretty much the most powerful Jedi/Sith of all time. He defeated Darth Malak, who had been empowered by the entire star forge(power that is devastating, and limitless).
He is more than a match for the new aged force wielders, but as far as Exar Kun and Marka Ragnos and Ajunta Pall, I'm not sure how they match up to the Star Forge. However, in Jedi Academy, Marka Ragnos combined with Tavion got beaten by some no named Jedi who struggled against Boba Fett. So I wouldn't go so far as to claim he is that great.
The reason I find Revan to be so powerful is because he defeated his former apprentice combined with a power capable of producing limitless war machines, power, etc on his own. Yes, Malak had clearly stated that. Also, his force knowledge is mastery, considering that he can call upon techniques that derive from either side of the force.
Also, we here Kreia explain his power and his personality in KOTOR 2.
It was Marka Ragnos ghost.....which was put there to job against the protagonist. If it was a whole body marka ragnos, he'd totally whup Revan....well ok maybe just speculation too.
But as far as this match is concerned, unless Revan is packing faster than light reflexes, he'd get kicked to the sun before he can react.
We all know Revan's biggest disadvantage at this match is his durability and speed. Unless his physical state can survive a >100 ton battering force going at the minimum of several machs and not explode like a watermelon in this scenario, he can't really have an advantage here of any kind.
If you want some info, please check out the Star Wars vs forum. Revan is far from the most powerful. Defeating Malak is only a feat which is almost completly useless. Malak could mabey match or be a little beyond Dooku but that's it.
Mara Ragnos would pwn Revan into infinity. That was Marka Ragnos ghost who was in Tavions body (who is totally weak), he haden't practised his skills for over milleniums, and could only use Tavion's powers.
If you think defeating Malak on the Star Forge is a big deal then you don't know very much. Sure it's great when comparing the lesser guys, but when the big guys come in it's nothing.
NJO Luke would pwn him.
Exar Kun would pwn him.
Ragnos would pwn him.
Every other acient sith we know of would pwn him.
DE Sidious would fry him.
Revan is up there, but he is still nowhere near these guys.
About the match, if a laser blast in Star Wars moves in the speed of light, then Revan would be capable of hitting Superman when he flew against him. His pre-cog, who was incredible, could make him sense what he's gonna do next, and then parry it.
I don't know if Superman can resist a lightsaber or not. But Supes takes this anyway. Revan might hold out for a little while, but he won't defeat him.
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Last edited by kamikz on Mar 20th, 2006 at 02:52 PM
The plot in the game was as follows: Tavion goes from planet to planet absorbing force energy, enough to match Ragnos's, and bring him back. She was successful. I really don't see what difference it makes, body or not. Ragnos had already become one with the force long ago. Considering the amount of knowledge capable of being aquired over that time, he could more than likely be considered more powerful, than when he was alive.
As for the point about the Star Forge, it's power is superior to the valley of the jedi(which is strong enough to give a non force adept complete access to the force). Now I admit, my SW knowledge has become a bit rusty over the years, so I'm not sure how he'd compare to Exar Kun or Adjunta Pal, but I definately know Luke, Sidious, Dooku, and even Vader, would get royally pwned by Revan. Maybe even at the same time. For what little knowledge of the force they have portrayed in the movies, books, and comics, it doesn't come close to Revan's force mastery(cheap point, I know, but it still counts). What issue was Exar Kun defeated in btw?
As for Superman, Lightsabers are capable of cutting through doors within the range of megatons and gigatons(easily above 1000).
Force speed followed by Force stasis followed by Force armor, Force storm, followed by battle meditation, followed by a few well placed slices from his lightsaber, and supes is toast.
Now I can already predict the argument against this, so ahead of time, I implore you to tell me how Supes would be resistant to the force, assuming that the Lazers in the SW universe move at the speed of light.
Last edited by Dark-Kenshin on Mar 20th, 2006 at 11:25 PM
He's not one with the force. In fact, he needs to siphon force from almost every source abundant with it so he can be ressurected. If he was one with the force, he could've just created a body for himself and not require Tavion to do his dirty work for him. And his spirit is in corriban all that time till Tavion manage to discover his body.
Dude, the range of the cutting doors are not in gigatons or higly doubtful in megatons. That calculations has been literally exaggerated by a another Star Wars forum we all know (i don't have to mention the name cause it might spark trolls). And lightsaber cutting through them required time as seen in the phantom menace.
Force speed doesn't grant you speed to go at lightspeed
Force stasis....... you really think superman is gonna be caught by this?
Force armor isn't going to survive anything superman can dish
Force storm is slow as hell, by the time he's finished with it, superman is already .01 seconds from tearing him limb from limb
Unless he's speed can go faster than light, all of this is null.
Because Superman is on another scale from any force wielder you could mention. Superman's has resisted multiple hundreds of nuclear explosions unphased, has fought gods, etc. Do you really think anyone in SW can really harm him in a no prep match? Just because you have mastery of the force doesn't mean you're gonna win against every opponent who doesn't have it.
Sorry, Kamikz, I have to side with Kenshin on this one.
But before I say anything else, superman would wipe the floor with him.
Revan would be probably be able to defeat Sidious, Yoda, and Luke. As we learned from the movies and the games the jedi and sith of the movies are nowhere near as powerful as the ancient jedi and sith. In episode II Yoda and Mace Windu even discuss revealing to the Senate how their ability to use the force has diminished.
And in KOTOR II if you approach Tulak Hord's tomb, Kreia comments that "if you were to fight an ancient sith, you would find that we are as children with lightsabers." So while Sidious may be powerful, I doubt that he would have any real advantage against Revan. Kreia also says that staring into Revan's eyes was like staring into the heart of the force, that's how powerful he was. Yoda also would not compare because of his diminished ability to use the force, and Luke Skywalker wasn't even properly trained as a jedi.
But Ajunta Pall, being the first ever recorded Sith Lord, would most likely kick Revan's ass. As would Ragnos. Exar Kun is a little tricky though. They are both from the same era so their force capabilities are on par with each, but Exar Kun was the first to use a double bladed lightsaber and to levitate lightsabers.
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Mar 16th, 2006 03:19 AM
you really think superman is gonna be caught by this?
