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Sonic Speed
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Ganon/Ganondorf
Okay many people have argued that Ganondorf can only be damaged by the Master Sword and Light/Silver Arrows. They used mainly these arguements:
1.) Link took a direct swing against Ganondorf with a direct attack and it didn't hurt Ganondorf
2.) Ganondorf took a direct blast from a fire ball and wasn't effected at all
3.) You have to use the Master Sword in OoT to finish off Ganon
How true are these arguments? Did the game makers contradict themselves? Or is there another answer within other Zelda games. In all three of those arguments what did Ganondorf have? The Triforce of Power. Yet when the Triforce of Power left him in Wind Waker to reform the full Triforce Ganondorf used twin swords and nothing else.
In OoT Ganondorf brought down an entire tower with his last breath. In OoT he was capable of firing 5-8 energy balls at you at once. He was also able to send forth a powerful shock wave capable of throwing Link around like a rag doll. We see all these feats Ganondorf did in OoT but in Wind Waker all he used to battle Link was the twin swords.
What could this mean? All the stories where Ganondorf conquered Hyrule they all had one thing in common:
Straight from the LOZ manuel
Long ago in the land of Hyrule, legends spoke of the Triforce-three golden triangels with mystical powers. When Ganon, Prince of Darkness, invaded the kindgom and stole the Triforce of Power, the princess Zelda took the Triforce of Wisdom and broke it into eight pieces. She hid them to protect the Triforce from Ganon's clutches. Furious, Ganon imprisoned Zelda. It was a young boy named Link who endeavored to save her...
Quote from OoT
Rauru:
He obtained the Triforce from the Temple of Light, and with its power, he
became the King of Evil... His evil power radiated from the temples of Hyrule, and in seven short years, it transformed Hyrule into a world of monsters.
Even in a Link to the Past it has been said that with the Triforce Ganon managed to conquer the Golden Land. It seems Ganondorf is this mighty being only with the Triforce (or a shard) with him. Some said Ganondorf had the power to conquer Hyrule without it but then why go through all the trouble to get it if you already had the power?
That makes no sense. The only thing Ganondorf has been shown to do was fire a single energy ball capable of knocking down a 10 year old. That's the greatest thing we have seen him do without any shard from the Triforce.
Some would say that Ganon from Four Swords Adventures did not have any piece of the Triforce. But he did have the Trident which was stated in Four Swords Adventures in the Pyramid that Ganon was very powerful while wielding the Trident. He went through a lot to get the Trident so if he had the power why bother going through all the trouble to gain something that he didn't need?
Also it has been shown that the Magical Sword was capable of inflicting damage against Ganon and some said that the Magical Sword is the Master Sword but no website, link, quote, or anything confirms that. Also you could defeat Ganon with the Wooden Sword or the White Sword. The Wooden Sword is a piece of wood and it managed to inflict damage against Ganon.
Some would say that it just helped weaken Ganon in order to finish him with the Silver Arrow but in Four Swords Adventures Link did not have the Master Sword or the Light/Silver Arrow and he fought and managed to defeat Ganon.
In OoT you could once again inflict damage on Ganondorf and Ganon using the Megaton Hammer and Biggoron's Sword. Some said it was to make the game beatable but Link had access to all of his weapons against Ganondorf so it seemed pointless for the game makers to allow other weapons to hurt him unless they wanted only wanted a certain one to do it. So that means at OoT Ganondorf was capable of being damaged by other weapons.
His magic is easily seen to be powered by the Trifroce of Power or full Triforce. From OoT where he was capable of bringing down an entire tower while wounded to him only using two swords to fight in WW.
My final argument is with Ganondorf and Ganon being the same person. The offical website: http://www.zelda.com/universe/pedia/g.jsp: backs up my claim.
Also known as the King of Evil, Ganon is the epitome of anger, hate and envy. Ganon's life began as a human named Ganondorf, but his heart was so vile that eventually he could no longer hide the ugliness which he held inside.
Ganon is the inner demon of Ganondorf who Ganondorf tried to contain but failed. That is why in Zelda 1 and a Link to the Past he only appears as Ganon and not once as Ganondorf. Who would want to walk around all day as a giant pig monster?
And OoT showed Ganondorf's Triforce symbol on his hand glowing before he transformed. Perhaps that has something to do with it. If he would do it whenever he pleased he would have done so when he was weakened in WW.
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Why do you even bother, ESB?  
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Jul 28th, 2006 09:07 PM |
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kamikz
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Even without the Triforce he had already chased away Zelda and Impa, and Zelda said that opening the tempel of time and get the master sword was the only chance to stop him. Now think about it, if using the master sword would not matter against him without the triforce, then what reason is there to even get it? Ganondorf who is not yet powered with the triforce of power , then what use is there to get the master sword? Hmmm probably because he already was unkillable by anything but the light it stored. And he got the triforce because.....
a. He wanted more power.
b. He wanted the whole triforce to rule the world.
No one has ever argued that Ganondorf was as powerful without the triforce of power, but there is a reason he got it, just as Link got the one of courage and Zelda the one of wisdom. And Ganondorf was laughing at Link, and only toying with him when he fired that bolt. He just said "get out of my way", he never aimed to kill an innocent child....
There is alot of info and common sense, that tells that Ganondorf is not near as powerful without it, but he is nontheless powerful. And Zelda and the Giant Deku tree said that the Master sword were there only hope for survival. Nothing says that the triforce of power gives Ganondorf immortality against all but that, it just gives him power, to transform him to Ganon for example.
Lol, I remember in the old threads, where I said that Ganondorf and Ganon was the same person, and you tried to dispute that....
Why the hell is this in the VS thread?
And here is my final argument that the normal Ganondorf was still able to resist any damage except the master sword.....
As you said, in the end of WW, his triforce was taken from him and put to a whole, then the king used it's power to "grant these children a future", meaning that how much Ganondorf even tried, he would never ever be able to beat them under this condition. But no matter how many times Zelda shot him with the lightarrows it could only stun him. And the reason that the Master Sword, when hitting Ganondorf, turned him into stone and sealed him in an ever lasting grave, is.... That how many people who is hit by it would actually turn to stone? Wouldn't it just cut through them, like everyone else Link has hit with it? Why would it turn just him, Ganondorf, without the power of the triforce, into stone? Hmmm my guess is that it was the only way to stop him....
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Last edited by kamikz on Jul 28th, 2006 at 09:47 PM
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ESB -1138
Sonic Speed
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As you said, in the end of WW, his triforce was taken from him and put to a whole, then the king used it's power to "grant these children a future", meaning that how much Ganondorf even tried, he would never ever be able to beat them under this condition. But no matter how many times Zelda shot him with the lightarrows it could only stun him. And the reason that the Master Sword, when hitting Ganondorf, turned him into stone and sealed him in an ever lasting grave, is.... That how many people who is hit by it would actually turn to stone? Wouldn't it just cut through them, like everyone else Link has hit with it? Why would it turn just him, Ganondorf, without the power of the triforce, into stone? Hmmm my guess is that it was the only way to stop him....
Really? The Great Deku Tree never mentioned the Master Sword and neither did Princess Zelda. They told Link to gather the Spiritual Stones in order to protect the Triforce from Ganondorf; they never once told Link to take the Master Sword.
And this came to me; why is it that you can't kill Ganon right away with a Silver Arrow in Zelda I and a Link to the Past? Could it be that the only way to truly defeat Ganon is with a magic greater then his own? At the start of both of those battles Ganon is very powerful but as the battle continues Ganon weakens. It seems that Ganon is defeated when a more powerful magic hits him.
That could be a reason Link needed the Master Sword, Four Swords, and Magical Sword to defeat Ganon. He needed a weapon that gave enough magical power to inflict damage against Ganondorf. When Link attacked Ganondorf in WW the Master Sword was powerless.
A stronger or perhaps an equal power seems to be needed to inflict damage against Ganondorf.
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Erm....this is not a Vs. match 
Closed.
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