I actually meant to type Akira instead of Bryan , but meh.
I own the game. I saw what Asuka did. Now by your own logic, Hitomi can't replicate those strength feats because she hasn't performed them. Now, I ask you. Hitomi has actually beaten people, so Asuka's one little thing is much. Hitomi doesn't need to be as strong as Asuka to win. I didn't introduce that logic. You did my friend.
No, I brought that up to show that Hitomi actually has....wins. Asuka can not attest to that at this point. At this point, she's just another face in the Tekken crowd.
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The problem with using "who beat who" logic is that anyone can be written to beat anyone in a fictional medium without proper feats. That's what we call in versus jobbing, I don't understand why in Comic Book versus it's understood that feats for the most part are needed in an assessment vs victories when compared to game versus. Not trying to suggest we should ignore fights, but there is a ridiculous Hyper Focus of who can beat who in games versus. Yeah, Hitomi has beaten people before, but so has Asuka. Sure, hitomi beat more notible characters in Doa, But Hitomi beating a guy who can K.O. can dinosaurs is no really much of an argument?
Asuka: Has clearly demonstrated better leg power than Hitmomi. she was propelling herself from Sky scrappers of the Tokyo Skyline. So, a kick from Asuka is by all means deadly
Also, she uses what seems to be a derivative of Jujustu versus Hitomi who seems to be a Karate Purist. If Asuka reduces the fight to a ground sprawl she can win this.
She has better grabs then Hitomi, and can break her limbs if she get's close
Hitomi: Has harder strikes since she uses a style that mainly rely's on linear strikes to do damage. So, head on damge is given to hitomi, but to be fair asuka has demonstrated better power.
Hitomi can wins this if she reduces the fight to pure striking, and does not fall or get too close. I don't know what variation karate she use's, but regardless against a Style style like Asuka she has to be the more cautious of the two.
Hitomi most likely has the most durability here since she fought Jann lee, but regardless of durability she can only take so much hits.
I'm going to give this to Asuka. . . Even though I love Hitomi.
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The comics vs forum is the whole reason I joined KMC back in 2005 and I can tell you that we definitely use the "who beat who" argument. It's only in times of extremely blatant mismatches i.e. Wolverine vs Hulk that fights are disregarded.
The "who beat who" thing is especially useful when debating martial artists since it's nearly impossible to tell skill without actually seeing who beat who.
While your assessment is indeed logical, remember this is video game fighting.
Asuka's strength advantage is nullified by Hitomi's durability too. Then it comes down to skill, which is determined by who they've beat usually. I don't think that's unreasonable.
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I disagree, anyone can be written to beat anyone which is the point I'm trying to emphasize. Look at SNK's jobbing problem, it's mostly because of who can beat who. If arguments like that are valid and taken entirely for face value then Terry and Jin are not allowed to lose any versus ever.
That doesn't mean we should debate in such a linear manner.
Your thinking too linear here, it's not as if Hitomi's durability will remain at a constant regardless of how much punishment she can take.
Excuse me? You were the one who from the beginning said Asuka can't beat Hitomi since she hasn't placed 3rd in a tournament, disregarding her capabilities nonetheless. Then I used your logic saying Hitomi can't perform Asuka's abilities showing how retarded it was.
How many of those people can pull off Asuka's feats, hmm? Also, Asuka could've beaten more people than Hitomi did for all we know, so saying Hitomi has beaten people in DOA isn't a supportive argument.
And for the record, I never said Asuka would curbstomp Hitomi actually. I believe they're on par, thus why I made the Asuka vs. Hitomi thread long ago.
Regarding Hitomi's durability, just because she was up against Jann Lee doesn't mean she can take the same type of blows it took to knock out the T-Rex. For all we know, Jann Lee has fought much seriously against her, or Hitomi may've dodged most of his blows. I can even support this with the way she fights in her DOA3 epilogue. She gets smacked to the ground by her dad in 1 move. Later on, she fights her dad dodging all of his blows. She was never shown taking blows the likes of Jann Lee's and still be able fight afterwards. The durability argument is bullshit.
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I said we have to keep our wits about us concerning the "who beat who" deal. If Lady Shiva beats Batman, we say she's better. If Spiderman beats Hulk, THEN we call bullshit. The "who beat who" argument has its uses.
Could you elaborate on this please?
It need only remain constant long enough to beat Asuka. It remains constant long enough for guys like Jann Lee.
I was talking about the logic of "mimic" that you brought. You misunderstood me. I never said that Hitomi could, for example, explode a thick tree because she can beat Jann Lee. I never said she punch Jin into a rock either. I DID say she could beat Asuka considering that little Jin thing won't give Asuka an edge in anything other than strength.
Yes, it is.
I never said you did. Why are you getting so upset about all this?
This is true. Can we ban Asuka's voice from this?
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Despite all that, you argued since Hitomi placed 3rd in a tournament, she would beat Asuka, even though you don't know where Asuka placed in T5, and regardless of what Asuka is capable of. I like how you refer to Asuka's feat "that little Jin thing" . Placing 3rd in DOA3 > Asuka's feats? Give proof.
No, it isn't. Find out where Asuka placed in T5 then come back and argue that.
Never said that you said it. I was just pointing it out to you so that you won't think I believe Asuka is better than Hitomi.
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You missed my point again, anyone can be written to beat anyone. That doesn't mean they have what's neccessary to win. "Skill" is how you use your assets during a fight and exploit your opponents liabilities. To simply state that said character beating said character means he can win said match is bad debating IMO.
It's not like weaker characters have never jobbed stronger ones before. I'm not trying to disregard them, but they seem to be the bulk of your argument.
Jann Lee =/= Asuka, they are two different people.
A fight Hitomi had against someone else should not be the deciding factor in this fight.
I'm giving Hitomi the advantage on durability simply because I'm not a jerk. In actaulity, we do not know how Hitomi dealt with said blows. There is no evidence suggesting she took them directly or tha she can take hit's like that directly.
Also, asuka has high durability as well considering her body endured impacts capable of launching her across tokyo.
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My point. Until we see, Asuka looses. For any other character we would have handled it like that. I'm not sure why you're making an exception for Asuka.
The DOA3 ending for Hitomi happens before the tournament. Hitomi has gotten better since then.
No I commented on asinine writing when I mentioned Spiderman vs Hulk. It happens. We are all intelligent enough to disregard the aforementioned fights. It's only bad debating when said character has consistently proven to be far underequipped for beating the person he or she beat. Since day 1, Hitomi has done well. I don't see why we should discount her victories. Although, I'm not sure if you're suggesting that. I apologize if you're not.
Different? Yes. I am comparing strength though. You were trying to tell me that Asuka could KO Hitomi due to a strength advatange. Naturally, I brought someone with similar strength who failed to KO Hitomi.
Hey it's either durability or speed. We know Hitomi had to defend against the blows in one manner or another. My point is that she can deal with them.
Also, the Tokyo biking trip is being a little exaggerated. She had forward momentum and wasn't completely leaping under her own strength.
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I'm not trying to discount her victories, but if the bulk of your argument is since Hitmomi beat whoever then she can beat Asuka then IMO that's a bad argument. Especially considering the fight was ambigous, we did not see her display anything. I'm simply giving her somethings because I'm not a pedantic person.
Said person does not fight like Asuka, and we do not know how the fight went down. Do you honestly believe that Jannlee has the same approach in fighting as Asuka? And, I never stated Asuka can defeat Hitomi with soley her blows.
I never said she couldn't, but the way you put it as that Hitomi defending some blows means she wins. Unless, there's more to your argument, that's really not much. Besides, Jann lee performed some of his strongest move during that time. It's not like hitomi was hit by flying jumping kicks every second.
Still, she jumped from Tokyo Tower and survived. And, she was kicking of walls whilst carrying her weight plus a bikes. That's good enough to convince me that she has more leg power.
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Asuka has shown better strength and durability feats. Placing third in DOA3 or beating Jann Lee (doubtful of those anyway, where's the proof that she did) is not saying much about Hitomi's strength or durability.
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, but meh.
You were the one who from the beginning said Asuka can't beat Hitomi since she hasn't placed 3rd in a tournament, disregarding her capabilities nonetheless. Then I used your logic saying Hitomi can't perform Asuka's abilities showing how retarded it was.
. Placing 3rd in DOA3 > Asuka's feats? Give proof.
