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Alex Mercer vs DMC4 demons

Alex with all powers/abilities upgrades against all of the demons from DMC4 including some boss demons such as Berial and Angelo Credo (he may not have been a demon to start with, but I hold him in higher standards than Bael, Dagon, and Echidna given the power of some of his moves and that Nero seemed to be fighting him more seriously than against the other bosses).

can Alex win this?

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He absorbs all of them


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He absorbs all of them


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Mooks;
Mephisto/Faust- Alex wont be able to touch them but they cant do lasting damage on him either.
Fault- If Alex slips up and doesn't watch where he's standing.
Frost- Are colder then absolute zero.
Blitz- Creature of lightning. Movements and attacks.
Bosses;
Berial- Hellfire may be too much for Alex, and he fights well for his size.
Any of the three humans turned demon (not sure about Agnus)- Agnuc can drain energy, Credo is skilled and powerful and Sanctus has strong magic.


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Frost- Are colder then absolute zero.


Impossible and no.


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Impossible and no.


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Devil May Cry, Enemy File Frost: "The cold honed claws are none other than an ice blade. The air around the blades is beyond absolute zero temperature and the victims who are slashed will die without feeling any pain."


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Probably hyperbole or localization failure.

Absolute zero is the coldest it's possible to get to. There is nothing colder, ever. It would be impossible to invent something colder, because at this point there is literally no heat left for it to lose.


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No, that's literally impossible.

Absolute Zero is when all molecular movement stops. You cannot get any colder then that.

Also, I demand feats.


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True, needs feats. If they truly /are/ absolute zero, then they shouldn't be able to move, and it should kill Dante just to come within a certain distance of them. Everything nearby should be flash frozen just by it's presence as heat tries to occupy the frost, and leaves whatevers nearby..

Actually, the only way it could MAINTAIN such a temperature is to not receive any heat from anything else. Which means it can't cunduct heat from it's enemies and how cold it is doesn't matter.

so, either everythign nearby should freeze and it cannot be AbZero, or it can't conduct heat at all, and it can be AbZero, in theory, but it doesn't matter.


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Yeah thats what I thought till someone made me read that. Then again things that come the demon world are different from the human world, who says that things don't work different for things from there. Feats of how cold they are? Well they are impervious to volcanoes and even live in them, not much else on that since they are only mid-levelled enemies.


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Yeah thats what I thought till someone made me read that. Then again things that come the demon world are different from the human world, who says that things don't work different for things from there. Feats of how cold they are? Well they are impervious to volcanoes and even live in them, not much else on that since they are only mid-levelled enemies.


K, I'm gonna sort them in one of twotypes then.

Do they freeze the Volcano just by occupying it? If not, they do not conduct heat at all, and you wouldn't even feel how cold they are by touching them.

If so, they're going to be consistently gaining heat, and cannot be truly AbZero.


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If they had Absolute Zero attacks, they would literally be the most powerful beings in DMC.

Absolute Zero would one shot Dante, and any other being in DMC.


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K, I'm gonna sort them in one of twotypes then.

Do they freeze the Volcano just by occupying it? If not, they do not conduct heat at all, and you wouldn't even feel how cold they are by touching them.

If so, they're going to be consistently gaining heat, and cannot be truly AbZero.

From a world where the rules could easily be different seeing as its a different world and many thing that shouldn't be come from it. Then theres demon magic that can change the way it works (Think it was Dagons ice that was referred to as magic ice) and that they have the potential to control the ice emanated from them. Like in a bio that says they will freeze the air when using a certain attack.

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If they had Absolute Zero attacks, they would literally be the most powerful beings in DMC.

Absolute Zero would one shot Dante, and any other being in DMC.

Then apparently Dante and higher demons are stronger then this.


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From a world where the rules could easily be different seeing as its a different world and many thing that shouldn't be come from it. Then theres demon magic that can change the way it works (Think it was Dagons ice that was referred to as magic ice) and that they have the potential to control the ice emanated from them. Like in a bio that says they will freeze the air when using a certain attack.


Then apparently Dante and higher demons are stronger then this.


If it's due to the fact that it's a different world, then Absolute Zero isn't as cold as the Absolute Zero in our world.


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From a world where the rules could easily be different seeing as its a different world and many thing that shouldn't be come from it. Then theres demon magic that can change the way it works (Think it was Dagons ice that was referred to as magic ice) and that they have the potential to control the ice emanated from them. Like in a bio that says they will freeze the air when using a certain attack.


Then apparently Dante and higher demons are stronger then this.
No amount of magic could bring something lower than absolute zero into our world without changing the laws of the universe. I'm sorry, it's just not how it works. I'm sticking with "it's hyperbole or localization failure".

Feats of the Frost? no expression

Edit: What DP said. I agree with.


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It's Capcom, they got normal humans exploding heads with knives. I don't expect anything else to make sense now

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It's Capcom, they got normal humans exploding heads with knives. I don't expect anything else to make sense now
I'm kinda convinced the localisation team for DMC just writes down whatever sounds koolest or most powerful with no actual comprehension of just /how cold/ AbZero is. no expression Or what the implications would be. Because, ..Just wtf.

BEYOND impossible.


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If it's due to the fact that it's a different world, then Absolute Zero isn't as cold as the Absolute Zero in our world.

If its measured as Absolute Zero then that term came from the human world.
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No amount of magic could bring something lower than absolute zero into our world without changing the laws of the universe. I'm sorry, it's just not how it works. I'm sticking with "it's hyperbole or localization failure".

Feats of the Frost? no expression

Edit: What DP said. I agree with.


BEYOND impossible.

Feats? They are high non bosses, the only feats they have are in their introduction. Moves are shooting ice spears, displacing their molecules for invisible fast movement, ice fissures and ice regeneration.. Not that its needed.
Lots of things in this (and 90% of games debated here) do things that are beyond impossible by real world science and law. Only reason this is a problem is that they've actually stated something.

-,- was not looking to get into a debate about this. Either way Alex can't beat them.


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Some games have things that are a little impossible, like Kratos not flying over the horizon when Zeus punches him, for sensibile and excusable reasons. (The game would SUUUUUUUUUUUUCK).

Prove it's not a localization error or pure hyperbole? Shooting ice spears and stuff? Loads of mooks do that. o_O

The thing with frosts being absolute zero? It's /beyond impossible, never demonstrates this, and has no logical reasoning to be so./


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