Mercer takes Akuma, uses a devastator or Muscle mass.
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Useless, as in Mercer canot match Gouki's speed or physical strength at even his most buffed out best.
Because Mercer never demonstrated that he could do those things, whereas Gouki has. Mercer fought the Supreme Hunter atop the Regan, Gouki could simply throw the Regan at the Supreme Hunter and be tone with it.
Oh, and when Alex can sink to Manhattan island, come see me.
Had no idea he was that strong. So I assume he doesn't spam those attacks all the time does he? Otherwise ryu would have been disenigrated lol.
It seems Akuma can beat mercer most of the time. I say most because while he is powerful he typically holds back that level of power and even if alex isn't as strong or as fast he's has some very destructive capabilities and is quite mobile, it's very possible that akuma will fight h2h and alex can absorb him and take his powers.
Akuma held well back during his fights with Ryu, But he wont be holding back against Mercer, He has no reason to. Not to mention that Not holding back, and going all out are two very different things for Akuma... If he goes all out, he is in a much more powerful state that what I have demonstrated here.
Alex probably can;t absorb Akuma without weakening him though, Akuma's energy manip would block almost any attempt from Alex to try that...
Akuma holds back against everyone almost all the time except that one time where he killed bison. He was fighting and was about to kill gen until he found out he was sick. Gen may not be normal human, but I doubt he can take that amount of force constantly, he is an old man after all. And in SF 3 I just watched, he uses 2 hands against oro, who was using one.
And I don't see the difference between not him holding back and going all out.
Not Holding Back = Going at full power
Going all out = Going at full power.
Has he ever done anything more destructive than destroying the island? SF3 was the furthest in the series and he had grey hair. It was him at his most powerful and while destroying the ship is incredible, it doesn't make him to be much more powerful than before. Nuking the the tree's, destroying the ships, sinking the island (lol islands don't float) those are all isolated instances with him seemingly greatly focusing the attacks. Seems like these are glimpses of shin akuma, his true power.
Still, I think he has mercer beat most of the time, the only time alex can beat him is if akuma doesn't go all out, like usual. He can cut him up with his blade weapon, or damage him with his ground spike attacks, which covers a large surrounding area pretty fast unless akuma is durable. Tries looking for the respect thread but didn't see anything about his defenses. Not many can resist being absorbed, hunters and super soldiers can resist for a bit and only because they have the same virus as him.
Oro being a 150 years old Senin is a mystic, and Oro's method of holding back is only using one arm. Gouki's methods of holding back is literally cutting himself off from the Satsui No Hadou.
The big difference is that in the Alpha 2 fight against Ryu, he was holding back far more than usual. Which makes the Island Sunker even more impressive.
Depends on where you look.
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This is a possible example of Shin Akuma's full might. Although the source is non canon- it's his ending montage from CFE, However, thats one of the 2 games that features Shin Akuma as his own entity. if this is given credance, then perhaps Frisky Dingo's theory of a continent destroying capability may yet have merit.
No, Hunters, especially leaders can resiset because they have more than one brain stem and spine, this is stated by Dr. Ragland.
Akuma can resist because he has to survive his own attacks to start with. I mean, the Sekya Kuretsuha wiped out a forest with it's recoil, the focal point of that recoil would be Akuma's arm, his arm survived undamaged comared to the forest surrounding him, which was cratered very badly.
And there's no way of knowing if Alex can breach his aura.
Or, much more likely, he wasn't using that level of power during the fight and only demonstrated that until the end of the fight, to show ryu what he can achive if he joins the dark side.
Non-canon sources are as good as fanfiction, if the word of SF god says it isn't part of the storyline, atleast for this thread,
And he seems to be amping himself with powerful ki-magic in that instance. I don't really think it necessarily means he would be able to take an attack that powerful on his body.
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Take a good look. In those pics it seems like that meteor is bigger than earth itself, but looking closely you can see those pictures are dipicted as taken from behind the meteor. This explains why it didn't look that big compared to akuma. So yeah, doesn't imply continent busting even if canon.
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Not really, no. Akuma fought far more dangerous and powerful opponents in that form both before and since that fight. And we don't see Akuma powering up or charging the attack which leads me to beleive that there was no substantial jump in the power he wielded against Ryu.
Exept there is very little onscreen evidence for Shin Akuma besides this and CVS2, unless we count SVC Chaos, which would be retarded, since Chaos was made by SNK.
He always has that aura and power though. Even ingame. it's more visible when he focuses it, but it's always there. He's not a DBZ character that requires a powerup when he does big moves.
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Instance #3: (please log in to view the image) This one is from his SF2 HD ending, he's just standing idle and the aura is there...
Instance #4: (please log in to view the image) Even when wounded, the aura is there.
Need I go on?
Check the last panel, the actual size of the asteroid is still pretty substantial, not moon sized substantial, but more than enough to sink most continents. i'm talking about continents like Aftrica, North & South America (individually) Australia, and Antarctica. he couldn't sink Asia or Europe becuase those two are connected interlacedly and the two together from the single biggest landmass on the planet.
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"Not really, no. Akuma fought far more dangerous and powerful opponents in that form both before and since that fight. And we don't see Akuma powering up or charging the attack which leads me to beleive that there was no substantial jump in the power he wielded against Ryu."
lol this is why I hate that cliche of characters holding back. Simply with a statement like that makes them seem way more powerful then they might be without actually ever demonstrating anything and makes gauging the character harder than they really should be.
IMO opinion, we should go with what they show rather than what they say they could.
It is possible for akuma to control his own power. And it would be silly if ryu was really able to take those attacks without getting splattered.
If there is a lack of official shin akuma appearences then there is a lack of official akuma appearences. Doesn't mean we can use non canon material as canon.
No. The astroid was already flying back above orbit in the last panel. Akuma hit it in earths atmosphere. It was too far away from earth. The astroid looks like the size of a large house using akuma as a comparison.
Perhaps it would be, However, we cannot ignore the fact that it happened either to satisfy suspension of disbeleif. And Ryu only now has caught up to Akuma's Alpha 2 power levels, and we now he's not throwing around island destroying punches every other attack.
Wrong. Shin Akuma, is Akuma going all out. based on that alone, I can say we have not seen Akuma unleashing all he has yet.
How do you get a house sized asteroid from this?
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There's nothing deceptive about this particular panel, The panel your reffering could be sinply one pixel next to this, and a house on earth would not even be a Blemish on a pixel in this one.
I made a single yellow pixel on Earth here as well to give you an idea of just how tiny it is, and how much smaller a house would be...
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What did? He says he holds himself back. Do we know to what extent?
We are going by what he has done. He sank an island. The assumption that he held back or him somehow holding an unknown amount of power back makes it more impressive or means he can achieve more is what I disagree with.
"I can say we have not seen Akuma unleashing all he has yet."
Yes we have. He doesn't go around destroying ships or forests and sinking islands at will does he? Those are his most impressive feats, that's what his limit is shown to be.
Uhhhh, I got the house size from using akuma as a comparison, I explained this. He jumps up in the fourth panel, and he was fairly close to it, and the area surrounding him was orange, like the atmosphere and the heat surrounding it was curving. If it were really continent sized we wouldn't be able to discern a curve from that distance then in the panel you highlighted, the astroid is already flying back out of earths orbit. It only looks that big because big things like earth tend to look closer than they are when compared to smaller things.
Doesn't even matter though. That isn't even canon.
if he is holding himself back during the feats then it obviously means he can acheive more, by how much is the unknown quantity. The point being is that these are the highest feats we have seen, and if he can acheive more... and the feat itself trups his opponents best feats, then onviously the match is won by Akuma.
Exept that same evidence states that it's not his peak either. And while I hate speculation as much as anyone, the unknown degree of his strength is a big one, but also one that cannot be argued. The only way we can therefore debate him is if we use what is known as a "Watered Down" version. We know he doesn't go around cracking landscapes apart, but we know he is capable of doing so, and probably more, and since here at KMC, unless stated otherwise, every character is at their 100% best in every match, even if it is technically theoretical.
Your using the convex from th 4th panel? Ok, hows about we try this then,using your own logic, I can say that we don't know how far Akuma is away from the asteroid during that panel at all do we?
"Enough to not splayyer Ryu into a fine red mist?"
And then using his true power to sink the island.
"if he is holding himself back during the feats then it obviously means he can acheive more, by how much is the unknown quantity. The point being is that these are the highest feats we have seen, and if he can acheive more... and the feat itself trups his opponents best feats, then onviously the match is won by Akuma."
Then it's just as justified to speculate that his power goes from destroying an island with a car on it to him being able to to destroy a galaxy. I already said Akuma won.
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Exept that same evidence states that it's not his peak either. And while I hate speculation as much as anyone, the unknown degree of his strength is a big one, but also one that cannot be argued. The only way we can therefore debate him is if we use what is known as a "Watered Down" version. We know he doesn't go around cracking landscapes apart, but we know he is capable of doing so, and probably more, and since here at KMC, unless stated otherwise, every character is at their 100% best in every match, even if it is technically theoretical."
Then give me an official source saying how much his power increases in his shin form.
"I can say that we don't know how far Akuma is away from the asteroid during that panel at all do we?"
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