No it's not at all. Luke would be killed as easily as those younglings were by Vader. Yoda may be able to kill Vader while simultaneously fighting Revan, but Vader will be enough of a distraction for Revan to finish Yoda while he does so.
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Thats rediculous, one could argue luke was far stronger than ROTS anakin because vader has said himself he was stronger as vader than anakin due to actual experience instead of just potential and luke still beat vader.
but Luke beat vader in the movies by persuading him to rejoin the light now, If this were an all out brawl no pauses no questions asked Luke would be defeated
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This is ROTS Vader, as in the one in my avatar. Vader became much weaker when he got his suit, he became much slower and his moves were restricted. He also lost a lot of force power as well from his human body being ravaged. Luke is an average jeedai in ROTJ at best, Vader and Anakin for that matter, were far above that level in ROTS, even in AOTC Anakin would beat Luke with ease.
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Yes I was talking about ROTS vader I thought I made that clear but oh well, vader did get weaker in potential but greatly made up for it in experience and dark side knowledge and the suit thing is irrelevent, vader only moves slow in the movies because it was filmed in an earlier time and they couldnt too ultra cool fightscenes, finnaly luke was much more than an "average jedi" in ROTJ, the force was very strong in him and he had one on one training from yoda himself.
True the OT battles were limited due to technology, but it's stated in many places, i believe the Episode 3 Novelization to be one of them, that Vaders powers and skills were greatly weakened due to his suit. And if you were talking about ROTS Vader then why did you say Luke beat him? I must have missed the part in ROTS where the unborn Luke comes in and defeats Vader, silly me.
Whoa!!! Look out everyone!! One on one training from Yoda, I'm sorry man, you're right, Luke doesn't even need Yoda's help here, he'll take Vader and Revan and the same time. Jeez one on one training from Yoda for about a year, I don't know why I was thinking 10 years of training and studying from the jeedai archives, Obi Wan's own training and fighting in the clone wars would make better jeedai than one who was trained by Yoda for a year. I'm sorry youre right. Plus the force was strong with him, how does someone compete with that? He's right everyone, Luke pwns all.
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I'm starting to lose my interest in debating with you espicially since the outburst in the other thread but ill reply anyway, you think the vader thing is stated in many places and you believe the ROTS novelization to be one of them...check your sources and dont come here with knowledge you just think is true. I was talking about the ROTS vader when I said it could be argued luke was stronger, I meant post-suit vader when I said luke defeated him and I thought I made it clear because just before that I explained how post-suit vader was stronger and luke still beat him. As for the second paragraph stop spouting bs, no one got one on one training with yoda in the OJO he was too busy, however luke got that privilige and its probably the equivilant of the training anakin received over the 10 years he was in the order because yoda had been training jedi for 900 years so he has the very best training you can get, Not to mention luke has also had a breif training course from a wiser ben than the one in ROTS. Moving on Luke I believe was just as strong as anakin in the force if not more so for reasons Ive already explained including that luke has already beaten a more powerful anakin than the one in ROTS. Vader has also already said luke could of "perhaps" had more potential than even he did as anakin in shadows of the empire, although "perhaps" is sketchy it definately means luke would not fall easily to anakin.
Jul 15th, 2005 03:46 AM
