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Darth_Glentract
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Ysannis vs. the Mandalore Revan killed

Which of these kills is a more important kill. What I mean is which would win, the amazing Echani or the incredible Mandalore.


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The Mandalore. Ended the war entirely.


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Mandalore was good no doubt, yet Yusanis had battle pre-cog though I can't remember how strong it was, I think it was the most advanced. A regular echani like the handmaidens is much tougher than a normal human due to the weakest level of battle pre-cog. Yusanis' was several times greater so I think he could put up a good fight but IMO Mandalore would still win, barely.


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Ysannis would destroy a Mandalorian warrior. Echani are better in hand to hand combat, and focus on melee more than the Mandalorians. Also, echani prefer to be perfect duellists, whereas Mandalorians prefer to be perfect soldiers. There is a defence in approach to fighting that makes a one on one duel against a Mandalorian go in favor of the Echani.

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I don't know, Mandalorians constantly fight and are a type of warrior race (or group, not sure which). Bralor wasn't too bad either, I think Mandalore could do pretty well.


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The Echani are especially good at close personal combat. They excel at it. Hell, they invented the cortosis weave that is used in vibroblades.

The Mandalorians are better warriors than they are duellists.

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Mandalore would be owned, it would be like when Achilles killed Boagrius in Troy. Mandalore like most Mandalorians would rely on brute strength and intimidation in a fight. Even though he would have tons of experience on the battlefield and personal duels, he doesn't practice the art of fighting or the spiritual side of it. The Echani, however, have a battle system based on just that. Finesse beats power any day, and Ysannis takes it.


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Mandalore would be owned, it would be like when Achilles killed Boagrius in Troy. Mandalore like most Mandalorians would rely on brute strength and intimidation in a fight. Even though he would have tons of experience on the battlefield and personal duels, he doesn't practice the art of fighting or the spiritual side of it. The Echani, however, have a battle system based on just that. Finesse beats power any day, and Ysannis takes it.


Exactly.

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Finesse doesn't beat power in all circumstances. After a degree, it doesn't matter how fast, skilled, or experinced you are, strenght will overwhelm you. If there was a three year old kid who could hit you ten time for everytime you could hit him, your strength would still overwhelm him. I've also noticed Echani don't normaly wear armor. If you punched something that could withstand atmospheric reentry, what would be more damaged, it or your hand?


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Finesse doesn't beat power in all circumstances. After a degree, it doesn't matter how fast, skilled, or experinced you are, strenght will overwhelm you. If there was a three year old kid who could hit you ten time for everytime you could hit him, your strength would still overwhelm him. I've also noticed Echani don't normaly wear armor. If you punched something that could withstand atmospheric reentry, what would be more damaged, it or your hand?


Samurai wear light armor, and they could kill most European swordsman in a duel. Note that European sworsman are much taller, stronger, and have heavier weapons.

Strength is a brutal but primitive asset, but anyone who knows swordplay will tell you speed if important, not strength.

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Who says Mandalorians are slow? They killed quite a few Jedi in this war and in Jango's time.


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Like the old saying goes: Speed kills.

It doesn't matter how strong you are if you can't lay a finger on them. Janus is right, the Samurai were probably the most feared swordsmen of their time, and I would bet they would kill effectively anyone other than a few select duelists of the European continent.

Now, if you were to include those said duelists, who specialize in more lightweight rapiers, you'd have an interesting contest, I'd like to watch one of those duels.

You also have to take into account weapon sets. The Katana wielded by the samurai was probably considered the most fearsome weapon you could own.


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Now, if you were to include those said duelists, who specialize in more lightweight rapiers, you'd have an interesting contest, I'd like to watch one of those duels.


Ha...ever tried to parry a Katana with a rapier ? wink

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Ysannis would kill Mandalore. Mandalorians are good soldiers, yes but they don't have much experience in melee combat at least not as much as an Echani would have. Adding a very developed level of battle pre-cog Ysannis would kill Mandalore. Well at least if this would be a melee fight and not a ranged weapon duel.


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Ha...ever tried to parry a Katana with a rapier ? wink

Back to the topic:
Ysannis would kill Mandalore. Mandalorians are good soldiers, yes but they don't have much experience in melee combat at least not as much as an Echani would have. Adding a very developed level of battle pre-cog Ysannis would kill Mandalore. Well at least if this would be a melee fight and not a ranged weapon duel.


Actually, it can be done. You can't do it with a FOIL, perhaps that's what you're thinking, but a rapier can stand up to heavier blows. It would require more finesse than your average duelist, but an elite duelist could likely have some fun dancing with the Samurai wink.


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Samurai versus Rapier fencer.... I rike the idear.

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Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Samurai versus Rapier fencer.... I rike the idear.


Indeed. Power vs. Deception.


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There is something to be said for two professionals duking it out with all the style and power they can muster for as long as possible.

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Yeah, and both of them fight for their personal honor. You gotta like it when two people swing swords because they got glove slapped.


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Glove slapping and duelling should be legal.

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Absolutely. You have peerage in England, why is defending the honor of that peerage illegal? Silly rules.


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