Janus I think I can predict the outcome of this fight with *some* accuracy.
In KOTOR, Master Vandarr said: "It will require the combined might of our order to defeat Darth Malak".
It is reasonable to assume Vrook couldnt take Malak 1 on 1.
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I agree with Revolver Ocelot. Taking out Malak wouldn't stop the war. Bandon or another powerful Dark Jedi would take the mantle of Dark Lord. to stop the Sith, you must get rid of them all, not just the leader. Bastila said Even the Sith would think twice about attacking Dantooine, because of the powerful Jedi Masters there.
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No other sith at that time was even remotely as powerful Malak. Malak was the key to ending the war, though the only jedi strong enough to challenge him 1 on 1 was Revan.
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You make a valid point, there is the 'star forge factor', its really hard to tell how much that added to his power. I still dont think Vrook would be capable of taking Malak regardless of the location. Sith lords are generally much stronger than jedi, it takes a VERY powerful jedi to defeat one.
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I would assume (!) that the jedi masters couldn't defeat Malak in personal combat, since they didn't really try. Even the attack on Revan was a desperate attempt which probably got more jedi killed than we were aware of.
I think thats reasonable to *assume* Janus, I mean if Vandarr is so powerful why didnt he go face Malak himself???
The answer:
Only Revan was capable of it.
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Not really. Yoda was probably capable of destroying Darth Vader or even rechallenging Sidious in the twenty years of Imperial rule, but he didn't. Why? Because he shines like the sun in the Force. Hence why he had to hide on a planet like Dagobah. Even Vandar himself points out that the jedi council is gathered in large numbers on Dantooine both for protection from the Sith army and because they are partially hidden there. It's entirely possible that Vandar didn't attack Revan because he would be a priority target for every ship and two-bit soldier in the sector.
Let me put it this way: if Richard the Lion-Heart can beat Saladin, do you think he's going to just march up there and kill him? Nope. There's an entire army to get through that will be on the lookout. I don't believe we can assume Revan > Vandar because the latter never saught him out.
I think your forgetting, Revan *did* face the entire army, slaughtered them all and then slaughtered Malak. I seriously doubt Vandarr would be capable of doing the same...Nope, Revan was a 'champion of the force' at the time and only he was capable.
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Revan snuck around behind the army's back and found the source of their power and attacked it, bringing with him a Sith fleet. They even point out that they are sending Revan and his buddies because they can maintaina low profile. Revan did not face the entire army, and vandar as a high profile leader was not in any position to try and do the same.
It's even in the discussion they have with you. Replay Dantooine.
Ofcourse Revan didnt face the fleet, I dont think anyone is capable of defeating that...
Revan *did* face the the armies within the star forge, remember when Malak says to send all available troops to stop him? After all the troops are wasted, Malak also sends all available sith, which again are all wasted...*After* that, Revan has to fight what Malak called "the full power of the star forge' when he fights all those auto-pumping droid generators. And Revan still has the energy to kick Malaks ass ten times in a row...
Please, Vandarr is not as powerful as Revan end of story.
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I'm not declaring one way or the other, GV. But YOU are. Bring me proof that Revan confronted and killed an army. Then bring me proof Vandar couldn't do the same. Then bring me more proof...
Seriously. You can't even judge Vandar in combat because he's never canonically BEEN in combat.
Ofcourse Revan didnt face the fleet, I dont think anyone is capable of defeating that...
'cept DE Sidious
Revan *did* face the the armies within the star forge, remember when Malak says to send all available troops to stop him? After all the troops are wasted, Malak also sends all available sith, which again are all wasted...*After* that, Revan has to fight what Malak called "the full power of the star forge' when he fights all those auto-pumping droid generators. And Revan still has the energy to kick Malaks ass ten times in a row...
Maybe in your game. In MY game I had T3 and Mission Vao kill all the Dark Jedi and troops while Revan stood there. Then I killed the bare minimum of three droids. After that set a bunch of mines for Malak to run into, they exploded, he healed, then we fought. I got my assed kicked like 10 times, but luckily his dead jedi kept healing me! I then finished Malak by chucking a grenade at him.
lol see what revan did there?
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You want proof Revan faced an army? Play the game...
You want proof Vandarr couldnt do the same? There is no hard proof, but its illogical to think Vandarr has the kind of power Revan had. I think your basing your argument on the fact that Vandarr is the same species as Yoda and that he has the same 'uber powers' but that is an invalid stance to take without, like you said, seeing Vandarr in any kind of combat.
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Apr 8th, 2006 04:06 PM
