I can see her besting him. Whilst Jinn is a formidable opponent, she might just be a little too much for him to handle. Ventress seems to favour going on the offensive, and that seems to be Ataru's weakness.
She's also in the league of people like Anakin or Kenobi. I can see her defeating him.
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Well, if Asajj can't keep her defense up, Qui Gon will take her out. Qui Gon can enter a kind of trance where he just goes crazy. According to the TPM novel, Qui Gon is the best duelist Obi Wan has ever seen and has skills to rival Mace's. Either way, I think it would be a good fight, and, I'm tempted to say Qui Gon. It might (and probably is) be biased, though, because I recently read the TPM novel and I just like Qui Gon more.
Qui-Gon's age and the restriction of the space around him played a part in his defeat. If this is Qui-Gon in his prime, and they are fighting in a wide open area where Assaj can't throw anything at him, I can see him taking this fight, though barely. However, this is not Qui-Gon in his prime, and this is pretty much Assaj in her prime. The location will play against Qui-Gon, as the rain will make it extremely slippery. I can see Qui-Gon putting up a fight, but he will definately lose.
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Ataru uses big jumps and stuff, right? Try jumping, landing, all the while fending off an insane enemy. Difficult? It would affect both, true, but Qui-Gon more because of his fighting style.
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When have we seen Qui-Gon jumping around like a cricket exactly?
In TPM, the most dazzling thing he tried to do was jump down on Maul. I don't think he uses Ataru like a circus act, at least from what he displayed. Asajj, however, gives Obi-Wan a damn ninja jump kick!
Either way, doesn't matter - I'd say if it is raining, it'll be an equal disadvantage, but Qui-Gon still loses anyway.
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Qui Gon lost to Maul due to Ataru needing room to manuevre which he did not have.
If you Notice, Qui Gon had Maul on the back foot until they entered that area.
However, Assajj trained under Tyranus, but so did Qui Gon, so he would know his old Master's Style and be prepared for it.
The setting allows Qui Gon his freedom to move, the platforms even though slippery may not play a part, as form iv uses the force to assist the fighter in his acrobatics, which could also mean he may have a better chance at staying standing rather than assaj.
Qui Gon was hailed as one of the best duelists in the Jedi Order. He had a vastly greater knowledge of the force (as shown by his ability to become one with the force and return), had been trained by both Dooku and Yoda. Had already bested a Dark Jedi in his second apprentice. He was also not as prone to follow the exact Jedi code making him a more unpredictable battle.
Assaj was only ever a dark jedi basically, she was never a sith lord and was never taught sith ways. Qui Gon was an accomplished, respected and powerful Jedi Master that only due to his "Maverick" approach stopped him twice from having a seat on the council.
True, we did not see any amazing flips on Qui-Gon's part in TPM. However, that may be due to the fact that Liam Neeson is simply to old or inflexible to do any flips. And if Qui-Gon doesn't do any flips from comics or books or whatever, where is the proof that he uses Ataru?
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Asajj wins, Qui-Gon's very strong, perhaps stronger than Asajj with the Force but Asajj is definately Qui-Gon's superior in lightsaber combat. Generally people see Obsession Asajj as being on par with Darth Maul. I think between Asajj and Qui-Gon it'd be even for about 2 minutes but then Qui-Gon would get tired and Asajj'd slaughter him.
hmm actually my friends. assaj wasnt trained by dooku. didnt u see clone wars ?? she was found by dooku. she was using twin sabers. she was chosen by him. she pursued ani. ani found her. slaughtered her end of story.
No, he lost to Maul because Maul was simply superior. "But on this day, he had met his match. The Sith Lord he battled with Obi - Wan was more than his equal in weapons training". Nothing suggests that Qui-Gon lost due to Ataru "needing room" (and where does this come from anyways?), and to think that Darth Maul didn't need room is ridiculous. He uses Juyo, which stems from Ataru and Djem So, adding to the fact he's got a double bladed lightsaber, ergo it's 2x bigger than a normal lightsaber, and will require a hell of a lot more room than Qui-Gon would.
If you notice, this was Darth Maul's plan from the very beginning. He was trying to separate Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, not because he couldn't defeat them simultaneously (the novel supports that), but simply because it was the smarter, and easier route to take. And either way, what does this have to do with anything? He was getting owned while he was in the Naboo Hanger as well.
Since when do Dooku and Asajj have the same forms? Double lightsaber to single lightsaber anyone? Ventress does not use the same form as Dooku, she doesn't fight like Dooku either. Your point collapses.
All Jedi use the Force to assist them. He doesn't have a better chance than Asajj, in fact, he is at a disadvantage. Against Darth Maul, he got exhausted until he meditated, Darth Maul was described as "having the advantage of being younger and stronger", and his speed kept Qui-Gon at bay. Asajj is faster than Qui-Gon, she's younger than Qui-Gon - she has that advantage. Basically, this point collapses - he doesn't have a better chance.
And? Practically everyone is described as being "one of the best" in the Jedi Order. Dooku, Mace, even Agen Kolar, Saesee Tinn, and Kit Fisto are described as "four of the best best swords beings". I fail to see how this really accounts for that much. I mean seriously, you can be "one of the best" anything if you aren't the worst. He's one of the best out of how many? 10? 20? 100? 3000? 100,000?
So, because he became a Force ghost, he has greater knowledge? I guess Qu Rahn > everybody in the Force too, then? I'm not doubting he has a greater knowledge (vastly is an overstatement), but the point is - how is that going to help him?
We haven't seen him demonstrate anything impressive with the Force. A Force push? Yeah? But how is that going to save him when Asajj does the same? How did his "vastly greater knowledge of the force (as shown by his ability to become one with the Force" save him against Darth Maul? It didn't.
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