Kas'Im wins. He has mastered the wielding of the single saber, dual sabers and the saber staff, and has mastered all 7 forms. His reflexes were noted as being exceptional as well, and he was in prime physical condition.
The only edge over Kas'Im I would give Mace would be his Shatterpoint ability (which imo is way overrated), his Vaapad which Kas'Im is unfamiliar with, and possibly physical strength (enhanced via the force).
I still think Kas'Im is just too damn good, the perfect warrior.
Registered: Jul 2006
Location: University of Texas-Austin(Aka libe
Again it's a tough fight. Mace DOES have Vappad and shatterpoint, but Kas'im DID master ALL 7 forms of lightsaber combat, like Yoda. I would give it to him based on that and the quotes of him being the best in the Sith order and possibly ever.
Registered: Dec 2005
Location: Walking among the shadows...
So what? Cin Drallig mastered all forms, and he got his ass handed to by Skywalker. I am not saying Kas'Im is equal to Drallig, I know he's better but even though he was said to be the best, so is Windu. I mean, besides Yoda, he's the best in PT Jedi Order. And him and Yoda are bothr really close as well.
With Vapaad, and Shatterpoint, both with Kas'Im doesn't expect, he'll lose.
It'll be a bit close, but Kas'Im loses. I rank the Twi'lek as maybe being on par with Obi-Wan Kenobi as in terms of dueling.
Registered: Jul 2006
Location: University of Texas-Austin(Aka libe
So Kas'im who mastered every form, is on par with Obiwan? You're going to have to provide a convincing argument for that situation. You're basically saying that Obi wan>New Sith Order in terms of dueling, and that's very innacurate.. I would put Kas'im on par with Yoda.
Registered: Dec 2005
Location: Walking among the shadows...
Obi Wan Kenobi:
- The GREATEST Practicioner of Soresu ever. Said to have the greatest defense among a Jedi
Kas'Im:
- The Battlemaster of the New Sith Order and said to be the greatest lightsaber user in the Order.
Whether Kas'Im is powerful or not, do you believe he can break through the barriers of Kenobi?
And Kas'Im is DEFINATELY NOT on par with Yoda. Yoda is several times faster and the greatest user of Ataru (along with Sidous I guess). There is no way Kas'Im can defeat him.
Kas'Im is getting overrated these days. Yes, I know he is powerful. But people keep saying "Oh Kas'im is the BEST. He can take out Mace Windu (who's a lightsaber prodigy and a master of Vapaad) and is on par with Yoda, etc etc. " It's ridiculous.
I mean, fine I can accept he can beat Kenobi if there is solid proof, but there's no way he's better than Anakin, Dooku, Mace, Yoda, and Sidious.
Hmm. Kas'Im would prove to be a deadly opponent in lightsaber combat, however, Mace is a master of Vaapad, a form that Kas'Im is completely clueless about - and which works well against Dark Side users - by channeling their darkness into Mace's advantage.
Then, factor in Mace's Shatterpoint ability and his superior Force powers, and I'd guess that Kas'Im bites the big one. Not without a bit of a fight, of course.
Registered: Jul 2006
Location: University of Texas-Austin(Aka libe
Please show me what source(if any), consider Obiwan the GREATEST practioner of Soresu ever, because I call bullshit.
And MAYBE ever..
Dooku did, and I'd argue that Kas'im is superior to Dooku in saber combat.
I don't know where it's stated that Sidious is a "Great user of ataru". And I don't see why Kas'im CANT be on par with Yoda, considering they were both the greatest of their orders..
How is Kas'im overrated exactly? Your argument is that Mace Windu wins BECAUSE he has Vaapad and shatterpoint. Well in that case, he would pwn all no? But you failed to mention that his shatterpoint ability and Vaapad form aren't good enough to take on Yoda himself, so I don't believe those two traits of Mace Windu are prerequisites for guaranteed victory.
This is simply your opinion, which isn't backed up by any facts or arguments..
Oct 16th, 2006 07:01 AM
Of course he has. After all, who else could have taught Sirak Vaapad?
