I would have to say Kas'im would win becasue he has more training and mastered all forms and mastered the double-bladed, hard to do (I know Maul has too). Dooku juts didn't have as much training as he did, if he had more training, then it might go to him, but I would give this match to Kas'im.
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Dooku. He has :Experience, knowledge, learned from more powerful people, better force attacks(Ask Kenobi, Quinlan, Asajj, or Sora), better duelist (trained/beat Greivous, Asajj, Anakin and Obi Wan (AOTC),), extensive knowledge of both sides of the force, and, is just overall better.
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Count Dooku wins for several reasons:
1.) The greatest user of Makashi. With his superb mastery of this lightsaber against lightsaber form he was able to take on the likes of Yoda and Anakin w/Obi-Wan, all who were powerful duelists.
2.) Battlemaster of the Jedi Order. He has mastered all the forms except Juyo/Vapaad.
3.) Was said to be one of the best Jedi ever to go through the Order.
Kas'Im is deadly, but I doubt his Jar'Kai can take on Dooku's Makashi.
Kas'Im just has way more going for him, he has mastered everything there is to the lightsaber, he has his own unique style, he is in better physical condition, he has better reflexes, and he is arguably stronger in the force.
1. No, battlemasters don't have to master everything. Dooku was a strict practitioner of Makashi from what I know, and switching forms after practicing with one for 40+ years is very, VERY dumb.
2. Never heard that one, so I'm going to call for bs.
3. Kicking Anakin against the wall after you dazed him isn't hard.
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1.) Battlemasters literally everything to do with the lightsaber. They know all the forms and they know some extra techniques. Otherwise, any Jedi could be battlemaster.
2.) Somebody here said that Dooku used unorthodox Makashi.
3.) Anakin is super strong man. You saw how muscular he is. And it wasn't a normal kick. He kicked the guy in the air into a wall like ten feet away.
4.) ROTS. I would say that his Force Pull was more similar to Whirlwind because how he slammed Kenobi into the platform.
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Making up shit again?
So? Kas'im mastered all 7 forms, like Yoda..Except Yoda never mastered double bladed fighter, while Kas'im has.
Again, so?
Good enough to use a force shield on himself when Bane used a force wave on the temple. I highly doubt Dooku has much chance here. Kas'im was the greatest warrior of the new sith order, and possibly ever. Not much chance for Dooku to win.
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ROTS on Kenobi. Are you sure you know who Dooku is? Have you seen the movies? Obi Wan gestures at his throat as though he can't breathe... Also, Dooku has used choke in EU (Such as on Quinlan Vos). I'm going to assume you don't know what you're talking about. Dooku does fine against two lightsabers (Asajj, Anakin, Sora, Hell; even Greivous with 4). Dooku had Yoda for a master as a Jedi, and Sidious as a Master for a Sith.
Dooku broke a balcony, fried Asajj, fried Sora, casually choked Kenobi, casually choked Quinlan while relieving him of his lightsaber, Threw around stone and metal at Yoda, and so on. That's only with the force. He also (using his lightsaber): Punked AOTC Anakin, punked AOTC Kenobi, put up a good fight against Yoda, beat Windu once (at an unknown time), stalemated Windu during the Clone Wars, and a lot more, I'm lazy right now.
Either Labyrinth of Evil or Dark Rendezvous said he was the Jedi Order's greatest lightsaber instructor.
In LoE, Dooku trained General Grievous in all of the lightsaber forms. And he goes on to tell Grievous that he [Dooku] can demonstrate what attacks that he [Grievous] may experience from Obi-Wan Kenobi, Ki Adi Mundi, and Yoda (among others).
And, Kas'Im may beat Dooku in a lightsaber match, but it won't be easy. And I doubt he'd beat him in a Force fight, either.
Er...can you prove this with a quotation? Is it a requirement for the battlemaster to master every form of dueling? Could it be that he earned his title just by his excellence in Makashi, or knowledge in every lightsaber form (but not necessarily mastery)? Kas'im was described by the omniscient narrator as the greatest in the galaxy/possibly ever.
Er...can you prove this with a quotation?
Fair enough, but Kas'im was also in excellent physical shape. Bane was knocking on the door, but he couldn't finish it because Kas'im opened the door before the second hit and pulled Bane into his room.
Bane and Sirak were dueling in what was described as a "blur." Since Kas'im = Sirak*6.023*10^24, he is definately moving FAST.
Not seeing how Dooku has an advantage here...
Dude, Kas'im deflected protected himself from a blast of energy that annihialated the Rakatan temple. I can see him easily deflecting any of these attacks, and counterattacking with his own.
Not seeing how Dooku has an advantage here...
I am not arguing for one or another, but I just felt that some of your points could use some elaboration or some back up.
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