Kopekz thought he might just be the sith'ari aka the ultimate sith and perfect being after only just one conversation with Bane, so he clearly sensed that the force within Bane was on the next level.
Githany believed his power was beyond the level of pretty much any jedi or sith master when he had only received a few months worth of training. The jedi and sith during those times were pretty uber, this speaks for quite a lot.
Kaan, the leader of the BoD was scared shitless of him before he had even met him; this was based purely on descriptions of his power.
When he was 18, he was able to instinctively choke his father to death, which greatly speaks for how prodigious he was, and how strong in the force he was.
He once lost his temper, and was able to instinctively project his fury on an entire room full of people; that speaks for truly how strong he was in the darkside.
He pretty much mastered force lightning after just 1 hour of having learnt the technique, and was even able to create a miniature storm. By BotS, after having grown much more powerful, he would likely be able to replicate this to much greater effect.
He was able to release a wave of energy that was able to collapse the entire 20 story Rakatan Temple, and the temple wasn't even hit by the entire attack (it wasn't hit by the portion that hit Kas'im).
He was able to choke Quordis to death like he was a child, and Quordis was one of the top sith in the BoD, the head of the academy in fact.
He was able to control the power of over 20 sith lords combined with his own to destroy an entire world. This speaks quite a lot for his mastery and control by that point
He was able to pull a moon out of orbit, and pretty casually too given he did it while riding on top of a flying beast.
He knew every move and sequence of the saber staff perfectly (and those are the moves and sequences for all 7 forms, and not just the regular forms, but Kas'im's perfected forms), and thus would be able to wield one to the same effect as Kas'im.
Sirak, the top apprentice at the BoD Academy was damn powerful; he was able to move in blurs, had mastered multiple forms..and Bane was able to completely outclass him in saber combat; his shatterpoint ability was so great that he was able to sense weaknesses in Sirak's style seconds after the duel began, and constantly throughout the battle, but held back because he wanted to humiliate Sirak, and tire him down first, and towards the end, was able to tool him with one masterful manoeuvre; his movements were faster than the eyes of everyone present could see, so fast that it seemed like time had stopped for them.
He as good as defeated Kas'im in a duel; Kas'im was basically The master of the lightsaber; he mastered every from, every primary art of the saber, and then furthered and perfected each form and constantly refined his skills, and Kas'im was only able to defeat him when he used a style that was alien to Bane.
While he was choking Quordis to death, Quordis begged him to stop and let them fight with sabers so that he could die with honour, and Bane said that he would be able to just as easily defeat him with a saber, and Quordis agreed. This implies that Bane would have been able to defeat him in seconds with a saber, and Quordis was one of the top sith of a pretty impressive order.
Bane possesses the orbalisk armour, which constantly pumps dark side energies and adrenaline into his body, and strengthens his muscles and keeps them constantly flexed. It's also completely immune to the cutting power of even a lightsaber, and covers his entire body, except for his head (the only area where he can be physically affected), and a few joints where the gaps are too small for a lightsaber to pass through anyway.
His knowledge base was also pretty considerable too;
1. He pretty much knew the entire BoD archives inside out.
2. He had received most of the teachings that the then current Masters could offer via Githany.
3. He had gained most of the knowledge found inside Darth Revan's holocron.
4. He was able to access a jedi holocron.
5. He was able to plunder the tomb of Nadd's holocron, and gain access to his holocron.
Bane > Exar, and firmly the most powerful sith ever.
Lightsnake, you're pretty much the most persistent debater here, even when you're wrong and don't even know it, so the fact that you're not even attempting to argue against me clearly shows that you know that I'm right, and that you will lose if you go against me. Face it, there's nothing that puts Sidious above Bane.
Bane is not the most powerful Sith ever. Normally under the circumstances I would pull out contradicting evidence, but seeing how you have resorted to the excuse of "it's ambiguous", I won't even bother.
Of course, the debate of Kun > Bane is still up for grabs, though I personally put Kun the 2nd most powerful Sith Lord.
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I love how you guys all bash him and his arguments everytime he posts, but never manage to put up a rebuttal of your own. It's pathetic, really. Now, I'm not saying that I agree, not at all, but many of his arguments are valid enough, and I don't understand why you can't refute them if they're so easily countered.
That's easy Faunus, he copies the same argument over and over, verbatim, and he has no concept of canon and non canon in regards to BOTS being overwritten by POD. In terms of raw abilities, Exar Kun demonstrated more than Bane. In terms of quantity of knowledge, I'd give that to Bane, but the quality would go to Kun. Revan's holocron is as much quality as it gets but as we know, the dark teachings of the sith died with Kun, so Bane would not know much of what Kun knew. Kun also had access to the ancients, although it was clear he didn't actually learn from under them. In a saber fight I would easily give this to Kun, and in a force fight I would give it to Kun with difficulty. I guess Noobaris forgot about Kun wtfpwning Luke as a spirit. He was VERY powerful, easily in the top 5. I only put him under Sidious, Ragnos, and Revan.
What Kopecz thinks is of no value. bane is not confirmed the Sith'Aro
Exar's power was beyond the others at just 6 months of training. And the Jedi and Sith were pretty uber? It's made clear the BoD is a low point in Sith history
Yeah, Kaan was a coward on every count. The entire point was he was a cruel, craven hypocrite
So? Zannah killed two Jedi when she was much younger. A young Anakin, far younger, killed a Blood Carver pirate with the Force...
and none of it puts him above Kun
BOTS takes place immediately after PoD, actually. He'd just left Ruusan. Moreover, Palpatine's lightning could wipe out a 100 troops...Kun was also a Force Lightning master according to the DSB
Luke built up a giant castle with the Force and later smashed itn to pieces in the Black Fleet Trilogy, so?
And Exar killed Odan-Ur easily, so?
There's a word for this and it's lying: Bane had them join together. If he was controlling them, how'd they break away?
Yeaaaah...no. Dxun and Onderon have naturally close orbits and referencing a retconned story does you no favors
And Kun's style'd be alien to Bane. So would Luke's and Palpatine's. It means, honestly, so little.
And wanking Sirak is likewise worthless....he was an apprentice. That's it. He was a strong apprentice, but an apprentice who never proved himself.
The BoD was also weak at that point..."The Dark side is spread too thin!"
When was Qordis adept in saber combat, now?
The orbalisks were never tested and there are gaps...his head's also a huge target. And Kun is good enough to exploit such
As opposed to Kun mastering Sadow's power? Palpatine mastering all the knowledge of the Ancient Sith?
Since when? Qordis cut him off
Menaing Palpatine would have all that and THEN SOME from Bane's holocron?
When, exactly?
And how does this make him special? Palpatine did the same thing...well before DE. Hell, Exar was accessing Vodo's holocron as an apprentice
Retconned, sadly. As Nadd's holocron gave Bane the Rule of two, PoD retcons this effectively
Hardly. What you have given are incidental feats that have no comparison to what Exar did.
Moreove,r sveeral sources contradict your notion of Bane being the most powerful. Try to twist all you want, but your interpretation means little. If it meant crap like 'political power', why doesn't it specify? Why does it use power in reference to strength and the force?
Bane finding the holocron hasn't actually been retconned; the only thing that was retconned was that the ideas behind the Rule of Two was found in Nadd's holocron, that's all.
That was to Sexy...
And Lightsnake, I've already gotten through half of your post, I'll do the rest tomorrow, and post my reply then.
Jan 29th, 2007 05:57 PM
