Support of Star Forge is not even necessary because Malak was naturally strong in the Force and his Force Mastery is leagues above that of Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto. Malak is also young and physically stronger then these two people.
Malak was indeed a master swordsman and he used Juyo in combat, since he was an aggressive fighter.
Malak can defeat both Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto with his Force Mastery easily. But if it comes down to pure saber dueling, Obi-Wan can hold on his own but Kit Fisto will be in trouble.
I think that Malak can win.
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Malak's armor was strong enough to counter Saber strikes to some extent. Malak showed this during his fight on leviathan when he countered a Light Saber thrown at him by Bastilla through his armor.
Now of-course his armor would possibly have weak points but we are not sure of this. And Malak was capable enough to unleash Force attacks on Revan on Leviathan. And Revan is more powerful then Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto. I don't see these two winning.
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Where was it canonically stated that malaks armour can counter saber strikes? One thing for sure, if his armour can really block out strikes it should be made of either of these materials
1)orbalisks
2)mandalorian iron
3)darth vaders chest armour
4)cortosis
5)enhanced with sith alchemy
Now let me explain. Firstly we do know he is not wearing orbalisks because it is painfully obvious. Secondly it is impossible to make mandalorian iron into armour(you encounter mandalorian armour in DLOTS). Why because if it could be casted into armour, by the time of kotor, the mandalorians should have been able to wear it correct? Yet still lightsabers cut through the soldiers indicating that their armour is not made of mandolorian armour which can deflect lightsabers
Thirdly vaders chest armour does deflect saber strikes, note thats only his chest armour according to what we saw in TESB and during the kotor time, i doubt that the material from vaders armour was even invented yet and by the way it restricts movements
Lastly cortosis cannot be made into armour, not until the PT era that is according to what has been said in the cut scenes of the game "star wars obi wan" And i highly doubt malak knows sith alchemy to enhance his armour
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Canonically this is not stated but Malak's armor successfully deflected a Light Saber Throw attack from Bastilla. This happened when Malak was about to strike Revan. I made my point based on this action.
I am not sure that what his body armor is made of actually.
Was Mandalorian Armor never made during OLD Republic era?
I remember that armor of Cassus Fett was available for sale in Dantooine perhaps. That was a Mandalorian armor. So there is a high possibility that Mandalorian armor were created during OLD Republic era.
Malak's armor also demonstrated such level of durability. Now whether his armor might have some weak points or not is questionable.
We can't assume that Malak and Revan did not knew about Sith Alchemy. There is a high possibility that they studied or practised such arts. I will try to determine this in few days.
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Well then we have to wait until it is confirmed that his armour really can block saber strikes. Wookiepedia certeinly does not conform this, neither does the kotor game
I know but we cant assume that his armour can block saber strikes completely, ill have to watch that scene again, but how can we assume that his armour blocked a saber strike? when the saber hit him he could have minor injuries because but had it completely gone through his body, he would have been cut in half
i was referring to mandalorian IRON not armour. Lightsabers can cut through mandalorian armour but not mandalorian IRON as what kotor and DLOTS pointed out
proof that his armour demonstrated durability? im referring to lightsaber strikes only. His armour could be similar to vaders but 2 things stand in the way to disprove that. 1)The materials for vaders armour did not exist yet 2) Or even if it did exist. malak would be slow because vaders armour restricts his movements
revan certeinly practised sith alchemy but weather or not he taught it to malak is unknown which i believe he did, But sith alchemy is only used to enhance metallic objects, if it could be infused into normal objects, why didnt simus, naga,freedon,exar and revan infuse it into their armour?
EDIT, i made a mistake in my 2nd post. There is a difference between Mandalorian armour and mandalorian iron
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Malak's only chance is his Force powers. If he can fight smart and disable Obi-Wan and/or Fisto, I can see him winning. But he has no [repeat: no] chance of victory in lightsaber combat. He'd never break through Obi-Wan's defense, and Fisto is an outstanding offensive duelist.
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1. No, you're mistaken. Darth Vader's suit was almost entirely composed of durasteel, and the rest merely consisted of armor weave, and other various components (of which, all that were named haven't been stated to had been 'technological advancements', and are basic materials [such as padding], which was existent during the days of KotOR, and before even).
"More visible durasteel plates cover his shoulders, upper body and shins." (Darth Vader's armor, Star Wars databank)
As you can see, what would be needed to make a suit of armor similar to Vader's would've certainly been available. The main alloy, durasteel, was around for certain, as you can get heavy durasteel armor, or a durasteel alloy in your play through (and while you can achieve this through gameplay, it'd still be canonical, as they don't have equipment that didn't exist for the timeline), or you can read the KotOR comics, which [apparently] show some form of the compound.
2. Malak wouldn't necessarily need to be slow. Vader's armor had to be specially constructed for his missing limbs (and this was a problem that slowed him down, as well), and life support. Darth Malak doesn't have this problem, as he's only missing his jaw.
Plus, we've seen durasteel armor in KotOR, anyways.
How did you come under the ridiculous impression that Sith alchemy was only used to "enhance metallic objects"? Obviously you need to hit the books.
"[It] can also reshape inanimate matter, making it sharper or stronger, as the ancient Sith frequently did with their weapons and armor." (Darkside Sourcebook, p. 13).
As you can see, the ancient Sith did use it on their armor. Furthermore, there are several defensive 'upgrades' armor can receive if the wearer is a practitioner of Sith alchemy (i.e. damage reduction, stealth, etc.), so if you couldn't imbue armor with alchemy then that wouldn't be possible at all. So, your assertion about it only having an effect on 'metallic objects' (again, which was completely unfounded) is wrong. If I recall correctly (and I do), both Kaox Krul, and Belia Darzu had alchemical augmentations on their armor. So, you were saying?
Now, I'm not saying that Malak's armor has any of the above properties (durasteel, alchemical enhancements), but it's clear that the few things you'd like to believe, or affirm aren't true.
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Nevertheless, the assumption is baseless as no evidence exists to suggest that his armor possessed such properties. Malak dodged Bastila's saber, it didn't strike him.
About Malak alchemically toughening his amour; its true. There was an official article which is considered complimentary material to the darkside source book that explains some of Malak's abilities.
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