well since obi wan is a lightsider i dont see mace's vapaad superconducting loop working. obi wan's saber defenses are nearly inpenetrable as they survives the test of 4 lightsabers from grevious and prevaled against pre-suit vader's onslaught.
but whats to stop mace from popping obi wan's heart with force crush?
obi wan is too defensive to get a hit in so. obi wan could win but im giving this round to mace.
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Dude, if Mace could force crush obi1's heart just like that, he would've been able to beat anyone. He would've killed palpatine. Obi wans defense is unbreakable, yet vaapad allows Mace to have very powerful blows. I don't think it will break Obi wans defense.
"That is so like you, Master Kenobi. I am called a great swordsman because I invented a lethal style; but who is greater, the creator of a killing form—or the master of the classic form?"
¯Mace Windu to Obi-Wan Kenobi
But okay, Dark Rendezvous says Dooku and Mace are equals, while Obsession shows Dooku running from Mace in combat. Dooku was shown to be Kenobi's superior. Yoda also tells Obi-Wan that he is not powerful enough to face the Emperor. However, Mace is left on Coruscant when Yoda leaves so he can deal with the Emperor should he need to. Lucas states that you have to be either Yoda or Mace to be able to compete with the Emperor in a duel, as well. Kenobi's not in the list with them. All this is proof that Mace > Kenobi.
Last edited by darthsith19 on Apr 1st, 2008 at 03:23 AM
Prove to me that it is a fact. I don't want what you think. I want proof. If you can't prove this, than you lose.
Obi wans skill with a lightsaber is just as good as Mace's, probably even better.
"He's as powerful as Master Windu, and as wise as Master Yoda"
-Anakin Skywalker to Padme' Amidala
ROFL, dude, that' AOTC Kenobi! What Anakin says doesn't count as proof! If that were true, Kenobi would have thrown Jango onto his ass in seconds, and Dooku would never have even engaged Yoda in a duel because Kenobi would already have killed him! You can't honestly believe that AOTC Kenobi is as powerful as Windu and as wise as Yoda.
But Obi wan could beat Mace. Obi wan can deflect anything 20 blows or less per second, and is pretty strong in the force. Which he showed us twice. 1. When he force pushed GRIEVOUS more than 100 meters. and 2. when he ripped darth krayts arm off with the force.
I'm thinking this will be a tie. This is considering that Kenobi is a master of soresu, extremely skilled with a lightsaber and has an inpenetrable defense, and Mace is a master and maker of vaapad. Either way, this one will be close
When did Lucas say that Mace and Yoda were the only ones who could beat sidious? And even if Mace can beat sidious and kenobi can't, this doesn't mean obi1 cant beat Mace. Bad logic.
George Lucas confirmed in Making of Revenge of the Sith that "one must be Yoda or Mace to compete with the Emperor", Kenobi was not included in that particular list because he lacks the power to be a threat to the Dark Lord of the Sith, a line of thought reiterated to Obi-Wan, verbatim, by Yoda himself in the movie ("strong enough to defeat Lord Sidious you are not", whereas the novelization goes one step farther ("strong enough, to defeat Lord Sidious, you will never be").
I'm afraid not.
Kenobi is a master of Soresu, the defensive form. That he was able to deflect up to twenty-strikes-per-second from General Grievous is impressive, but that hardly speaks for his offensive ability, whereas Windu's form is described as "the deadliest" and the most unpredictable of all seven, and according to Fight Saber, in order to master Vaapad or Juyo, one must be a "high level master of multiple forms". Likewise, Obi-Wan hasn't demonstrated anything approaching the level of Windu's Force powers.
Oh, you have proof that Kenobi hurled Grievous (a push he clearly put effort into, judging by his furrowed brow, his cocked arm, and the grunt of exertion) over one hundred meters?
An impressive display of the Force, but not enough to beat Windu.
Kenobi is fast but it doesn't matter. Lucas puts Sidious, mace and Yoda in the top tier for movie characters, and says Mace can compete with Sidious but Kenobi isn't good enough to compete with Sidious. That alone is flat out proof that Mace is more powerful than Kenobi.
Not that it matters, but where's the proof that Kenobi pushed GRIEVOUS more than 100 meters? I ran track for 4 years and I ran the 100m and 200m dash, and I doubt Grievous was pushed 100 meters, or even half of that, though I haven't watched ROTS since last December so I could be wrong and the not 50 meters part.
Wow Kenobi ripped Krayt's arm off with the Force (or cut it off, according to the author). Krayt is pretty strong, but Mace could have finished him off more quickly than Kenobi did, seeing as Mace is able to compete with Sidious and put him on his ass in lightsaber combat.
He may have said it more than once, but the source I got it from is The Making of Star Wars Revenge of the Sith. He says Palpatine took out Kit, Agen and Saesee so quickly because they are the B-Team and you have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor. And Yoda and Mace can compete with him, but they can't necessarily beat him. Also, Nick Gillard states that Kenobi is a level 8 swordsman and Mace is a level 9. Kenobi may have beaten ROTS Grievous, but Mace beat LoE Grievous, who is more powerful than ROTS Grievous. Really, Obi-Wan is good but he's got NOTHING on Mace.
Edit: Ah, Gideon, you beat me to it. I thought that might happen.
Again, Nick Gillard says Mace is a level 9 swordsman and that Kenobi's a level 8 swordsman. Being an employee of Lucas and being the guy in charge of the saber fights for the movies, his word does have some credibility. I can tell that you like Kenobi, but don't let your liking for him cloud your judgement.