I say Ommin and Warb Null. Null fought 4 Jedi at once in the comic he appeared in, and held them at bay. Whether or not he would have won is unknown but he held them at bay for a while but then retreated (can't remember why, didn't they capture Arca and then retreat or something?).
Ommin is even more powerful, several Jedi faced him at once but none of them could get through his defenses with the exception of Ulic. Mind you, these were all either padawan learners or young Jedi Knights, but they were giften Padawan Learners such as Oss Wilum, Nomi Sunrider, Cay Qel-Droma ect. And didn't Ommin almost kill Arca? I'm not certain about that though and don't remember details but I thought merely Ommin's presence near Arca nearly killed him or something, could be wrong though.
Ommin is powerful but I think Obi Wan and Anakin together are strong enough in the light side of the force to resist Ommin's dark side powers.
Warb Null would be a push over for either Obi Wan or Anakin who gave Dooku very good fights. Ulic crushed Warb Null in seconds, are you suggesting that the more talented Anakin adn the more skilled Obi Wan (who had defeated Maul a decade earlier) can't take out the likes of Null? Ridiculous.
Obi Wan and Anakin take this in a potential stomp.
Ommin would present problems but he's a half-rotting zombie who needs a metallic exoskeleton to simply stand, if his suppresive dark side power doesn't work, he gets killed with one stroke of a saber from either Jedi.
If by a "very good fights" you mean Obi-Wan was toyed with and humiliated, and Anakin - while putting up an initially impressive display in the eyes of Dooku - was disposed of fairly quickly as well, without ever being any real threat, then yeah.
Ulic didn't "crush" Null: he didn't even engage him in a duel. He just got the jump on him and cut off his head.
And good job ignoring the fact that Null held off four Jedi at once just before this.
What's ridiculous is that you're using Obi-Wan's slaying of Maul as if it was a demonstration of surpassing skill. Maul basically defeated both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in under a minute apiece once he got them by themselves.
Last edited by Faunus on Apr 9th, 2008 at 11:40 PM
Yeah Dooku played with kenobi and then trashed him... a bit stupid even if you ask me. IMHO, Kenobi should have faired as well as AOTC Anakin did at least. But anyways, nah, there are lots of things that are more of curb stomps such as Palpatine trashing 3 Jedi masters in 7 seconds, and Anakin vs. Magnaguard in ROTS, and Vader vs. Luke in ESB, since Vader wa sjust toying with him and at the end when he was serious it took him like > 5 seconds.
One does wonder if those particular Magnaguards were superior to the earlier models, as Kit Fisto was able to outduel two of them without any noticeable difficulty.
No, it was nowhere near 30 seconds. I looked for a video of it on youtube and couldn't find one so if you don't believe me, hopefully you have ROTS on dvd and can check.
Hmm... I guess I was thinking that Anakin killing his 1 Magnaguard happened at the same time as Obi-Wan cutting the head off his, so the time it took Obi-Wan to take off the head wouldn't be part of the time it took Anakin to kill his. You understand what I'm saying? I guess I'll have to re-watch that part. I was kinda hoping to find a youtube video so I could watch it, too.
Considering they both took Dooku one on one I consider them good/decent displays. And it's amazing how you picked the least relevant point for Null. Null is no Dooku, he isn't even on Maul's level or do you have evidence to the contrary?
If he got the jump on him why was Null able to apply a dark side attack on Ulic (which Ulic resisted)? Once Ulic got into a saber-to-saber contenst Null was a pushover.
4 Jedi not comparable to Ulic let alone Anakin or Obi Wan. Plenty of characters in Star Wars have held their own against lesser force users. Case in point Palpatine destroying 3 Jedi Masters in less than 10 seconds. We know that Mace was able to put up (by himself) a much better fight.
Way to forget that Obi Wan acquited himself better than Qui Gin Jin in the one-on-one duel and slayed Maul (as a bonus). Did Maul's overconfidence help? Yes! But it only became a factor after the duel was over. All that without mentioning that Obi Wan in this case has 10 years more experience.
Bias against Exar's era? Nope. Some characters are elite in any era (Obi Wan and Anakin) and some are not (Warb Null). Futhermore using Dooku's achievement as a counter argument doesn't do much to support Null's chances - he got beat even more embarrasingly by Ulic.
Even more than that Anakin really pushed Dooku (Dooku expended far more effort than he liked) and Obi Wan got beat by Dooku's strength, not so much his skill (Dooku used his superior strength in the saber lock).
Apr 8th, 2008 07:35 PM
