idk, this is close. Nomi's battle meditation probably won't have a great effect on Sidious. But it might bring him down just barely enough that Yoda can beat him. Or she could help him in a saber duel. Not sure.
Is Nomi some sort of lightsaber or Force goddess that would suggest that she'd last more than a few seconds against the most powerful Sith Lord in history? I'm more than familiar with Yoda's exploits, and I grant you that wouldn't just be steamrolled. But Palpatine, on his death bed, was capable of owning Jedi in one blast.
She's not truly prodigious in anything but battle meditation? If that is the case, then the Emperor will win. He was able to stalemate Yoda during the events of Revenge of the Sith, where his acquired power is not as potent as it is during the events of Dark Empire. He is capable of disintegrating lightsabers (thus rendering lightsaber combat truly pointless) and, despite being "barely able to walk" and being brought closer to death with each usage of the Force, can overwhelm the Force defenses of Leia Organa Solo and two other experienced (if not truly powerful) Jedi Knights, mortally wounding the latter two with one attack per Jedi. I'd say that he wins this comfortably.
Sidious isn't the most powerful of the Sith Lords, he's just the most powerful according to Lucas who is basing it on the movies and not considering the characters created by others (e.g Ragnos etc), which is clearly obvious since many have done things that Sidious couldn't. And Sidious was losing to Mace Windu ...
"The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed."
-- Death Star, page 76.
"...Yoda could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
-- The New Essential Chronology,
"Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."
-- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72.
Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:
"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."
Empire's End, one of the ancient Sith spirits: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."
Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the original trilogy sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."
On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."
Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."
There you have it, he IS the most powerful sith lord ever.
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I'm afraid it is you who fails to read my post. I know that he is said to be the most powerful of the Dark Lords by some - but that's completely lame. He's pretty weak in the movies, and gets killed fairly easily. He only shows novice force knowledge (Like, lightning is only thing he knows when there would be so many better techniques). I don't know about DE Sidious that much, but at least in the movies he's weak.
As I said, it's just said by George Lucas he's the most powerful. Lucas, however, is losing his touch. Always talking about "REDEMPTION REDEMPTION, HERE HAVE A COMIC SIDEKICK OHH THATS SO ORIGINAL"... He's just throwing it around, without considering that others have done far greater things, and shown far greater techniques.
lucas = canon
books = canon
your opinion = not canon
if you acutually read some of the quotes Ivalice posted, youd have realised that nobody in the book made the claims - it was the ominscient narrator, which = canon
you fail
Yo do realize alot of the statement were made after the creation of sith lords including Ragnos,Kun,Revan, Nadd and Bane. All those statements Ivalice has posted are canon and alot are from the EU where we get the sith lords I mentiones above. So you can cry all you want but as far I can tell Sidious fought the strongest jedi ever to come as of ROTS in Yoda and the incredibly dangerous Mace Windu who can defeat many other sith such as Kun in saber combat due to his skill in Vapaad and shatterpoint.
I'm curious who do you think is the most powerful sith lord. Not that it matters cause your opinion as to who it should be is not canon. Just because you think Lucas is losing his touch doesn't change a thing. When the creator of star wars universe makes such a statement it is pretty much the law. That is is like me drinking and driving and I think i shouldnt get a ticket because I don't like Bush.
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your the onewho's challenged my friend..
i read your post perfectly
if lucas says sids is the most powerful stih lord ever, then he IS...nothing any other person can write/make can overcome this statement...its the highest canon in starwars, and it cant be overwritten simply because you want it to be..
yes he is, multiple canon books state he is
is the highest canon source in star wars
so just because some EU sith seems to be more powerful, he automatically is? lulz
Didn't Nomi become a master of the blade after just picking one up? Add on to that about 20 years of training and she might just be quite formidable.Also, she has VERY powerful battle meditation and smacked Keto down in about a second. Lastly, well, she was the leader of the whole frickin' order, that's got to mean that she's quite good.
But yeah, Sidious might still win.
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Then you have no point. All you are doing is complaining that Sidious is the most powerful sith ever. You say that he is weak in the movies yet he faced the most powerful jedi to have ever been in the order until that point. And Mace Windu who is the second strongest up until that point and he is extremely dangerous vs dark siders due to vapaad. Only one other sith lord ruled the galaxy and he in not even in sidious's league. And remind me what other sith can bend the fabric of space and time itself as Sidious does with the force storm.
I read it and it literally is full of shit which does not make sense.
Thats because your extremely ignorant, he was stated by canon to actually be more powerful than any sith. Have you actually read any of the comics where he killed 100 storm troopers with one blast of force lightning?
Or the same lightning that reduced 3 acolytes to charred skeletons?
How about mind raping billions of people on coruscant to hide the fact that the lusankya existed?
Or how about annihilating entire starfleets with his force storm technique?
What about his mere presence alone on byss which converted a "once lush and fertile world now one of the most powerful dark side sites in the galaxy"?
He appears weak in the movie simply because he was not using the force to its greatest degree like in the comics.
Oh and dark empire not only states that he is the most powerful sith lord but actually shows it such as the part when he used a force storm which killed thousands of people and destroyed the surface on part of coruscant and destroyed a starfleet as well as creating a wormhole in space.
See the above.
Please and before you even try to ramble that ragnos > sidious (which is unsupported) despite him doing absolutely nothing with the force.
Most of those quotes came out AFTER TOTJ so yes, sidious > your precious ancient sith. Hell the ancient sith(naga sadow) did absolutely nothing with the force except throw a brick with enough force to knock out ludo, thats it. All his other feats were aided by technology.
The ancient sith themselves even stated sidious is more powerful than them and as to why did he lose time after time? Ever heard of circumstances?
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Yes, the list you presented is impressive, and if he did that, he is the most powerful. I am just skeptical because he got "owned" so easily in the movies.
I haven't read much of the characters from the movies after the movies, after reading the Luke novel which introduced Sun Crusher and other ridiculous things. What books are the ones that Sidious does those things in? What comics? I have all the SW comics, I'll look it up.
Apr 18th, 2008 01:52 AM
