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I assume ( yes I KNOW) that obi wan was using ataru- as a padawan- which he never fully mastered- even as a Jedi master. He gets rid of maul fairly quickly- and if you consider that he is still a padawan, this is even more impressive. I know that Maul took sidious (or was at least a challenge) after days of chase, but Kenobi seems to win too quickly to chalk it up to skill (plot device anyone?) so I will have to side with:
TPM Obi >/= Maul
AOTC Obi > Maul
RoTS Obi (form III master) >> Maul
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Really? Did you not see TPM, and the part where Maul beats Kenobi? You do know that it doesn't end with Kenobi cutting Maul's lightsaber getting sliced in half like in the above video, don't you?
No, Maul killed the order's finest swordsman (Anoon Bondara) and took out Qui-Gon Jinn, who's saber skills were some of the greatest in the order, even though he wasn't at full strength. He also nearly killed Sidious. He is not "far far below any of the top tiers in the PT.".
That being said, this should be a close match. AOTC Kenobi knows TPM Kenobi extremely well and could possibly block his vicious blows like ROTS Kenobi blocked Anakin's blows. Also, TPM Kenobi, when enraged, grew weary pretty quickly. I say AOTC Kenobi takes it but will be giving ground and working his ass off until TPM Kenobi gets tired.
dont turn this into another tpm obi wan vs maul rematch; i wont stand for that. you wanna do that, go to tpm maul vs rots obi wan thread.
AOTC kenobi takes this (no duh). He has more/equal mastery in ataru, and has learned another form; soresu. He also has more experience, and knows tpm kenobi's styles and powers like the back of his hand.
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Yes, you're 100% correct, G-Canon does > all. But NOTHING contradicts Anoon Bondara being the order's finest swordsman. TPM Kenobi > Sidious, huh? ABC much? Plus, Kenobi never defeated Maul in combat, watch TPM again, Maul defeats Kenobi in combat, then Kenobi catches him when he's being cocky as any Sith would be. He never defeated him while fighting him, he got beaten then, plus, Maul wasn't at full strength (as stated in The New Guide to Essential Characters). Maul got put on his ass? Lol, I seem to remember Kenobi getting tossed into a pit, just because the video you posted ends with Maul on his ass doesn't mean the duel ended that way. If I took the Luke vs. Vader duel from ESB and stopped at at the part where Luke nicks Vader's arm, would that mean Luke > Vader?
You think this chump is above Yoda in dueling?
Oh and Dooku was still in the Jedi Order at this time...he's a better swordsman than Dooku?
Ridiculous hyperbole says this chump was the fienst swordsman nad nothing more.
If a padawan can break his weapoon in seconds, I can only imagine what Yoda could do.
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In the same novel where Anoon is called the best in by the narrator, Yoda's lightsaber skills is called the best( in almost the exact same words) on the council which Anoon was not on. Yoda's quote was narrowed down to the jedi council and Anoon's wasn't. Show me proof that this pre Tpm Dooku was on the same level of his AOTC self after having years to train with Sidious.
I love how everyone disregards the narrator's quote as hyperbole when they don't agree with it, yet the have no problem when the narrator supports their side. Got news for you Nikkolas, Anoon's lightsaber skills is further backed up by a quote in another book as well, so if there was only a single statement in one source than you might have a point but sadly you don't. I suggest you read some of the posts that Faunus,Gideon and myself have recently made in regards to Anoon's skills and in regards to Yoda's. Or go back a couple of months or so and read Advent's. Anoon's technical skill probably does surpass Yoda. You also have to keep in mind that Yoda rarely practiced or demonstrated his lightsaber technique.
A big part of your argument is based on the ABC argument and you failed to address DS's point on the Vader and Luke duel.
Last edited by Elite Hunter on May 12th, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Oh yeah, and guess what? Then that same padawan ended up in a pit a few seconds later, and it wasn't as quick as you make it out to be, it was 17 seconds of intense dueling against a Maul who wasn't at full strength (something you seemed to miss the first time around). And again, I could say the same, that if ESB Luke could hit Vader on the arm, I can only imagine what (insert the name of any Jedi here) would do to him. But that logic doesn't work, because one mistake doesn't mean everything.
May 12th, 2008 12:31 AM
