Yoda. He's going to have trouble being that they're on places that will enhance the dark sider's abilities, but he's the greatest weapon of light against the dark, so he takes this gauntlet.
Does Bane have orbalisks on his legs? Always wondered that. Don't get me wrong, he has a ***** of a time, but makes it.
Yoda vs Sion (location Malachor V) - Based on the persuasive argument of others that Sion wouldn't be able to pull himself back together and continue fighting, Yoda wins.
Yoda vs Kreia (location Malachor V) - I think Kreia will win. She can Force Sever practically instantly. We don't know if Yoda would be able to resist it or not...
Yoda vs Star Forge empowered Malak (takes place on the Star Forge where Malak fought Revan) - Yoda wins. His saber skills are still above Malak, and if Yoda was able to stalemate Sidious in the Force, a StarForge enhanced Malak won't fare any better.
Yoda vs Exar Kun (takes place on Onderon) - If Kun uses his amulet, I think Kun wins. If not, Yoda does. My reason being is because his amulet strikes a rather large area, and although Yoda is blindingly quick, I don't know if he's fast enough (whatwith small legs and all) to avoid being struck by it. That would at least daze him, and Kun would finish him off. Otherwise, like I said, Yoda wins.
Yoda vs Bane (takes place on Korriban) - Bane wins. Maybe easily. Bane is 6'7''. Would Yoda even be able to jump high enough to decapitate him? Without completely telegraphing his attack?
If the answer is yes, then Bane only wins a very close match. A battle meditation amped Raskta was being pushed back under Bane's onslaught. Given the fact that she was the best duelist in the Order at the time, the fact she was BM amped, and the fact that she wields two blades instead of one, to me means that she would be about Yoda's equal in saber skills at that point. Plus, Yoda is old and can only fight at a high level by tapping into the Foce for a short amount of time. Bane's orbalisks, meanwhile, just make him stronger and fuel his dark side powers.
Not to mention that if Bane got really pissed, his Force Scream is stupid powerful.
Given his studies of the old Sith Holocrons and his likely studies with the Falanassi, it's likely Yoda can
The beam hardly starts off that large...not nearly out of Yoda's capacity to dogde
Easily. Yoda's able to leap over a hailfire droid without any apparent effort. A 7 footer isn't much a jump for him at all
You're doing Yoda a disservice there. Yoda's got the force abilities to match his saber skills, Raskta did not and had to rely on nearly purely natural speed. Yoda with the Force is blindingly fast, is incredibly strong and Bane has a bit of a disadvantage because Yoda is used to dueling larger opponents...such small ones would be outside of Bane's experience.
Yoda was the best duelist of the Order when it produced duelists as Dooku and Mace and other renowned names, described as the deadliest foe the darkness had ever known, which would imply he was above any other Jedi in ability and power to that point. It's likely he bettered Raskta by a good margin, even a BM empowered margin.
Don't forget in skill, Bane is likely not Raskta's equal.
Yoda has been known to fight about as long as he wants and will not feel exhaustion set in until the battle is done
Enough to blow one back, yes. But Yoda isn't going to be fighting without a Force Shield and his power in the force likely exceeds Bane's own
For anyone looking for a point in my above statement, it's that DS Force abilities are much offensive in nature than LS abilities. Especially the ones Bane has shown when compared with the ones Yoda has shown. Meaning, IMO, that Force prowess isn't going to play too great of a role in this battle unless Bane is stupid enough to try Force Lightning Yoda and getting it sent back at him.
Also, just a little food for thought - Sidious is considered the most powerful Sith Lord. Certainly. But the orbalisks boosts Bane's DS power and defense. It counts as an outside power source, I'd imagine. Which means that, on their own individual power, Sidious is strongest. With that orbalisk armor? *shrugs*
I'm not arguing the position that Sidious > Bane, but Bane w/ orbalisks > Sidious...I'm just saying, no one's ever specified...I'm sure no one would say that Darth Maul > Luke Skywalker. But, let them fight on Malachor V, with Maul wearing armor made from Mandalorian iron, and give him Kun's amulet, and suddenly his Force power absolutely increases dramatically (all from external sources, like the orbalisks).
Well, here's the thing. Yoda is said to known every defense for every attack, so just because he chooses not to use certain attacks due to him not wanting to compromise his role as a Jedi, doesn't mean that he can't do those attacks. Look at Mace. He used a force crush on GG; but that's normally considered a dark side tactic.
As far as Bane w/ Orbalisks > Sidious... nah. The way we know if Bane and his power is with his barnacle buddies, so that would have been taken into consideration when the multiple sources credited Sidious with being the most powerful Sith Lord ever. Ever, which also includes the duration of time in which Bane was covered with orbalisks.
The only question is, when did Sidious transcend the level of Bane? Was it before or after RoTS? That's what that this depends on. But the later incarnations of Sidious are higher than Bane regardless of what Bane might have.
Someone around here cited a source that by TPM Sidious was already the most powerful Sith Lord ever.
Which I find hard to believe, because it couldn't have been more than ten or so years after he killed Plagueis.
He claimed Plagueis taught him everything he knew before he was murdered, but clearly not because Sidious doesn't have Plagueis' midichlorian control. Meaning Plagueis > Sidious in at least one aspect. Furthermore, Sidious was a master in all seven lightsaber forms, yet chooses to kill Plagueis in his sleep? If he really surpassed him in power at the point of assassination, I'd think he wouldn't resort to cowardice. I know he's cautious, but only when the outcome is in doubt. As with the Yoda duel.
Anyway, maybe spending 10 years training Maul and reading allowed him to surpass Plagueis by TPM, I don't know. I do know that from TPM to ROTS, he'd been sitting on his ass for 13 years as Chancellor.
Lies and deceit are the ways of the Sith. He was merely planting the seed early in Anakin's mind that his "apprentice" new everything he did, so when Anakin realized that Palp's was the "apprentice" he spoke of, he would just naturally assume he knew it. He also admits it right away that doesn't know it.
I don't know how you could be a coward and kill someone in their sleep when they have the force and pre-cog abilities. That never made sense. Perhaps he didn't want to get into a huge battle and end up using the force and peaking the Jedi's radar, so to speak, ya know? I don't think that Palps would have lost a saber battle, but we can't know for sure because his master is a virtual unknown.
Plagueis would have trained Sidious in saber combat, wouldn't he? Someone said Sidious used to be a Jedi Master, but if that were true I don't see how Yoda wouldn't have known/recognized him...being around for 800 years and all.
Thing is, some LS abilities can kill...lightsiders can generate lightning, use Morichro, etc. Or just disable.
Yoda's defensive capabilities exceed what Bane can do with the Force as well. Hell, he can just toss Bane's lightning back at him if nothing else
Likely any source would take that into account. It's not 'Most powerful Sith in history excepting orbalisks.'
Yes, but sources still state Palpatine's superiority.
Thanks for the clarification. I got it from reading this forum before signing up. lol
Also, Maul was 22 years old when he was killed by Obi Wan. And Sidious took Maul as an apprentice when Plagueis was alive. I don't know how old Maul was, but in the comics he looks maybe 6-8 yrs old. So...10-15 years possibly from Plagueis' murder to TPM is what I was figuring.
Aug 21st, 2008 03:25 PM
