1. I honestly can't tell, but Sion is quite an unknown, and Vader is very powerful and is hardly a novice. I'd give it to Vader simply for that.
2. Sion. No lightsaber, and Sion's Lightning equals bad news for Vader.
3. Vader. For some reason I feel confident his physical power could withstand any Lightning Sion could throw at him. Using his impressive TK to help him out, I think Vader would eventually out-duel Sion enough to reduce his body to ash.
That poor corpse just doesn't have enough known abilities to help him out too often.
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If we assume that tfu is cannon(i am not sure, since we are referring to the new hope incarnation of said villain), we can easily determine that:
Force=Vader 8/10 And I don't think that sion knows lightning. In fact, in some deleted scene or other, nihilus picks him up by the throat while lightninging him and draining him, and he doesnt seem adept enough to block it. While deleted scenes are not cannon, I hold to the belief that they still reveal the intentions of the writer.
Saber=Sion 6/10 once again, being able to take more then one swing is a great gambit to have, and being able to feed off of the pain makes him capable of taking Vader in sabers.
All out, vader, 7/10. His combination of saber skills and force powers give him the win, whereas while sion appears to be a physical beast, he doesn't have very many force powers that he displays.
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...I didn't saying they are cannon, but they wouldn't have been written into the movie/game in the first place if they didn't reveal something that the writer wanted to show about the character.
1. Sion impales himself like Vader did and sabers the life support
2.Vader strangles him and kills him and then starts to walk away, Sion resurrects self, Jumps and grabs Vader and punches life support until he dies.
3.Again Sion,"I can die a hundred times, Exile, and each time I shall rise, as strong as before." What part of Invincible do you stubborn asses not understand."As long as the dark side flows through the cracks of my flesh, I cannot be killed." "His flesh is cracked and scarred, and I'm registering several thousand fractures in his skeleton, as if each bone was splintered repeatedly, and then put back together. Judging from the scar tissue, these wounds took place before his death. If so, he must have been in constant pain." - Harbinger medical officer
As far as the chop him in pieces to kill him, that should explain that away. and besides that if chopping him to bits or killing him with the force was possible then HK-47 would have suggested that instead of making him doubt himself.
ANH Vader never SHOWED these abilities AT THAT TIME, IN THAT MOVIE(see I can be a KMC stubborn tight ass too) With what we see him do(totally disregarding everything else because it would hurt my arguement...*Tangible God*) in THAT SPECIFIC MOVIE AND ONLY THE MOVIE COUNTS AS TRUE CANON*guess who imma make fun with this one*
Oh and IF he was unable to regenerate then what was the point of the talk on malachor..
That being said, use some thought and in sabers Sion impales himself like Vader did with the Maul fight and to more or less of the same effect but lives without any meaningful harm.
LOL by your logic mace windu is a shit ass duelist because his duel with palpatine in ROTS was so clunky(and that was the only time we ever saw him engage in a duel, hell even luke and vader were moving faster thanhim in ROTJ.
This "movie is true canon = vader is weak ass shit and slow" bullshit excuse is getting extremely old.
Just because he didn't do them in ANH does not mean he can't, hell we have never seen nihilus trying to cut his opponent off the force admist a duel, but does it mean he can't?
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In case you didn't quite catch my drift, I was being a smartass and making of certain other members(you know the ones) nut since I must spell this out I'm guessing explaining things to you would far too time consuming to allow for the actual debate. In light of this, I'm not going to bother explaining obvious things to you. Instead, when I post sarcastic remarks intertwined with my actual opinion, your opinion about them will go unrecognized by me. So don't bother to even reply if you suspect any sarcasm at all since you wouldn't get what exactly is sarcastic in the post.
Oh, and I love how people's opinion changes like a politician's any time the majority or senority comes to a different conclusion or when some important new reference comes along. Although I understand that these new references give more insight and information; whether they be games, movies, books,etc, some consistency would be nice.
Anyone should've been able to clearly see that Serpent's previous comment about ANH Vader being slow and weak was sarcasm. This picking on him for every little thing is getting a bit overblown. The "(see I can be a KMC stubborn tight ass too)" and "totally disregarding everything else because it would hurt my arguement" should've been self explanatory.
In sabers only, Vader is clearly the better duelist. However, Sion is no slouch and will be able to take far more strikes than Vader can.
In Force only, Sion may have Force Lightning. What we know he does have, is Force Sever. And while Vader is powerful, we don't know if his mechanical body would be able to allow him to defend against it in time. Plus, unless Vader drops a Star Destroyer on Sion, what is his TK really going to do? Ditto with Force Choke.
Just out of curiousity, where are you pulling your stats on Sion's saber skills? You said Vader is better, but because Sion isn't a slouch, he'd win? Pardon me, but that is absoluely terrible logic.
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