ESB Vader vs. a complete unknown. Very good, very good.
1. Probably Revan. Judging by the way things have gone in that Qui-Gon vs. Revan thread, Revan's still held in high-esteem, despite his ambiguity.
2. Revan. I don't care what anyone says, Vader's not gonna be able to resist a full blast of Force Lightning, even with his exceptional TK.
3. I'm tempted to say Vader. His superior strength should hold off Revan's Lightning long enough for him to get him in his telekinetic grasp, tough I feel if Revan gets in close with a saber, utilizes a well placed Push or two, he could angle himself up for a decent win.
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Everyone thinks Vader will lose against anyone who can use force lightning. If that were the case then the dark side users who served Sidious would not of feared Vader.
Revan would lose to Vader. Vader still held tremendous power over the dark side even with his suit. Galen used force lightning on vader, and it didn't stop Vader. Vader still kept fighting, even though he eventually lost, but not as a result of the lightning. Galen wasn't just any user of force lightning, he was a master of the technique.
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You do know a lightsaber can block Lightning, right? I'd like to see some Dark Acolyte with nerve and confidence enough in his own abilities take on Vader. They'd die.
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Well if you read tfu novel or comic, you would see how extremely he uses force lightning. How many force lightning users have you seen taking out legions of storm troopers all at once, and overpowering tie fighters with lightning. In the comic he overpowered Rahm Kota, and used it against Sidious.
Is it just me or are they starting to make comics cheap now days. I barely bought the comic tfu, and the pages are already starting to detach.
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My point is, in a purely Force fight, Vader's got no lightsaber standing between Revan's Lightning and Vader's now vulnerable suit.
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As a matter of fact, I have. He doesn't use Lightning on a TIE fighter. Rahm Kota catches and deflects the lightning. The stormtroopers presumably die, but don't become charred or disintegrate, and they have zero Force shields anyway so it isn't a big feat. And his lightning didn't bother Sidious one bit.
You must of not read the whole book because he did use lightning against a tie fighter. The only force users that have charred anyone with lightning, that i know of, were Sidious and Bane, who were beyond extreme users of the technique. When he fought Rahm Kota he was not as powerful or as experienced as when he fought Vader. In the comics Kota did not catch the lightning. In the novel even though Kota cought most of the lightning, it still hurled him back. When has Revan charred or disintegrated anyone with lightning?
I'd say Revan takes them all. It's possible he may lose in saber combat, but only because the circumstances of most of his battles are unknown.
I would think Revan should take him in actuality (speculation, in other words). Vader's pretty shoddy on the grand scale--he can't overwhelm an older Kenobi, who's skill deteriorated substantially along with his physical attributes. Their duel was actually described as being a hard fight to fight by Lucas. As well, at the height of his power, using his full-strength, he is stated to be virtual equals with a reluctant, lightside ROTJ Luke.
Revan's most impressive feat is lopping Malak's jaw off in a lightsaber battle. Along with other factors, it's apparent he would present difficulties to Vader to say the very least.
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Nope, I just made it up as a late April's Fool joke...haha?
There are two sources indicating Vader was hardpressed,
1) ANH Commentary. Lucas says exactly what I wrote he said, "hard fight to fight".
2) Star Wars Insider #62, the Fight Saber article says that he couldn't break Kenobi's defenses until he let him.
So it was a stalemate in the end. As for the being equals with Luke,
1) the ROTJ comic book says it was a "battle of equals" unlike the duel on Bespin. Note that the narrator states that--if anything--Luke had the upperhand rather than Vader. As well as implying that Luke was reluctant, it outright says that Vader was giving it his all.
2) Upon turning to the Fight Saber article again, it also states as much ("able to duel the Dark Lord on even footing", this is not about when he goes batshit insane either). Also written is that OT Vader is at the height of his powers.
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