Weapons and Environmental Obstacles - Long Drops / Falls around the Landing Pad hence it being ''CLOUD'' city, Cargo Containers and boxes around the Platform hence it being a "LANDING PAD". Also Security Guards. ----- Lightsabers and Force Only.
Level of Skill - Count Dooku <Sith Lord (Episode II)> / Kyle Katarn <Jedi Master (Prime)>
(Please use Canon information and use references to back your claims. I don't want this topic to be turned into a farce.)
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Lol I could swear almost all theversus threads were done recently.
Katarn wins. You said landing pad right? Katarn is more proficient in the force, and isn't afraid of using Dark Side powers. He can just throw dooku off the platform with his superior force powers (I'm not really sure that they are superior though) lol
I'm just pointed out what I think would be relevant to Katarn's side.
Now for Dooku
1) More Experience
2) Beat Anakin (EP II) and Obi-Wan-Kenobi (EP II & III) like it was nothing. I did not even see him break a sweat and then he held his own somewhat against Yoda.
3) Roughly the third best Lightsaber Duelist in the entire galaxy at that time.
For number 3 I gotta point out Kyle is third to Luke Skywalker as well. or at least seems to be so. I don't know I still stand by Kyle though.
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2.) Jerec was imbued with the Valley as well. But measuring up Jerec and Desann to Dooku is kinda iffy. I just don't see the High Inquisitor and a scarcely trained failed Jedi Padawan able to compete with Dooku. Least not in sabers. Jerec apparently had some god-powers.
3.) A>B>C, but it can work. Caedus=Vader (in-universe opinions aside) roughly, but does Vader=tEh z0ne Anakin? In terms of clarity and focus as they're combined with a saber duel?
1.) Arguable. Experience is measured in deeds more than lifespan. Amount of experience gained per deed is subjective to endless debate. Katarn's many sexy adventures vs. Dooku's many crazy nights. Who knows?
2.) AotC Anakin would get tooled by both Katarn and Dooku (obviously, he already did with one) so he's a "meh". Same with Kenobi. A little display of Force prowess seems to do it with him. Soresu be damned.
3.) True. And Battlemaster Katarn merits like the same thing.
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Haha, Dooku has the sexier accent, I think he wins that one. No, youre right, we dont really know.
I really have a hard time seeing Katarn toss Obi-wan around the way Dooku was able to. We know that Dooku's force powers were basically enough that Yoda couldn't defeat him with just the Force.
Well, I actually put Dooku at fourth, but its third or fourth out of TEN THOUSAND very capable Jedi and Sith. Katarn was way up their (obviously behind Luke and Jacen, possibly Corran as well.) The bigger difference though is that Dooku, Mace, Yoda, and Sidious were basically in a league of their own. Kyle would have a hard time against Saba, Kyp, Solusar, Jaina, Mara, Lumiya (maybe even lose to her), and so on. He's good, but not in a higher league like Dooku was.
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I hope you're not insinuating that Jeff Bennett's multi-talented voice loses him ground here? He could voice Saruman if he wanted.
Though not as problematic as the KotOR fellas, it's still rather difficult to compare the NJO to the PT. Not to mention I don't know much about Katarn outside Outcast and people's talk of him holding off Caedus--who more or less rivals Vader. In strict use of offensive Force powers I see Katarn winning.
Well Kyle was the Battlemaster for a reason. I don't know anything about Saba or Kam so I can't say anything, but placing on par(ish) or under the likes of Kyp, Jaina, and Mara is pretty damn good, especially considering where they themselves stand. And earning recognition from Caedus is something too. That said, Dooku perfected a saber style specifically designed for duelling, and it's a style Katarn is unfamiliar with (I assume). In a strict saber duel I can't see Katarn winning.
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Could you see Katarn obliterating Obi-wan the way Dooku did? How about matching Yoda in a Force fight? I can't, so I'm giving that to Dooku.
The Battlemaster title just means that he was the guy who taught people lightsaber stuff. It's similar to saying that a physics professor at a university is better at physics than a guy running CERN. Yoda, Mace, Depa, Obi-wan, Anakin, and many others were all arguably better than Drallig. I think the same is true for Kyle. He is way up there, but he has the title do to his position as the head lightsaber instructor.
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As of LotF, I can see Katarn grabbing Kenobi's windpipe and hucking him. And I can also see Katarn bringing down some rocks and blasting a little lightning.
I know. Like I said, I don't know much about Katarn's saber skills. I base my position on his abilities on Caedus' recognition of his skills. Sith Lord that's second to Luke saying you're good... way to go Kyle.
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I'm going by what I know from Outcast--it's all I have on the guy. The scene where he dangles Tavion over a pit and then waves his hand to toss her back to the ledge. Circa 12 ABY. Add 28-29 years, he better have something else going for him. And there was a case that Advent made for him in one of her threads. It sounded so good.
He had better. Makashi god's gonna be impressin' everyone from the NJO.
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There was no one to teach Luke's Order the old styles, that's why they developed the Strong, Medium, and Fast styles. Makashi especially would have been foreign, even amongst the PT Jedi, there were few who practiced it. Being designed for strictly lightsaber-lightsaber combat, it would'nt have been very practical in the age where there were no more saber-wielding opponents.
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