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Cin Drallig Vs Ki-Adi-Mundi
This is a battle which takes place within the High Council chamber, but each pane of glass is impervious and cannot be broken. (So no using the force to knock the other combatant through the window).
Cin Dralllig was the Master lightsaber instructor in the Jedi Order, so his sword skills were rather good, with his knowledge of all forms.
Ki-Adi-Mundi was a very powerful Jedi Master who sat on the upper tier of the High Council and was 3rd in command of the entire order.
3rd-in-command doesn't necessarily mean 3rd most powerful. As it is, I say Cin Dralig kills him. Mundi was killed by a small group of clones. Cin was navigating through a whole army of clones and wasn't stopped until DS Anakin killed him.
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I understand that 3rd-in-command doesn't necessarily mean 3rd most powerful, but Mundi still was a relatively powerful Master.
As opposed to the clones, Ki-Adi-Mundi along with all the other Jedi, was unaware of the betrayal till it was too late. Yes, Yoda was able to sense something was going on, but then again, it's Yoda. Ki-Adi at least managed to take out a few of the clones, before he was ultimately shot down, which is better than most other Jedi who were "out in the field of battle".
Ok, Cin Drallig was able to plough through many clones, before he was ultimately slain by Darth Vader, but those clones weren't already in his immediate vicinity like all the off-world Jedi. Those clones had to physically enter the Jedi Temple, while facing other Jedi, and eventually meeting Cin in battle on one of the many levels of the temple. Now this would give Drallig ample enough time to realise what was going on, therefore was able to formulate some kind of, albeit rushed, tactical plan, which in the end didn't pay off when facing Vader.
If Mundi was placed in Drallig's shoes and vice versa, it wouldn't have made much difference to the final outcome.
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Though he was trained as a Guardian, which means he was also an adept duelist(considered to be amongst the top ten in the order), Mundi was also known to have command of vast Force abilities. During his duel with Grievous, Mundi displayed the ability to produce powerful telekinetic blasts capable of creating a crater in the ground. Later, whilst battling Ventress, the Cerean demonstrated the ability to leap incredible heights; such as launching himself onto a nearby gunship in midair.
This is just some info I thought I might squeeze into the thread, to assist in the decision-making.
Mundi just isn't a combat focused guy. He was the big time diplomat and logic guy. He did some great things in the Clone Wars, but it's still never his strong point. Drallig on the other hand is all about combat. He should win in lightsaber and all out. I don't really know about a purely Force battle.
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there is literally nothing that points to drallig being as competent as adi at all though... hes the battlemaster... and thats about it. mundi at least made it to the council (as a knight no less... ergo anakin is full of shit), lasted alone against pre-bitchass greivous using the three lightsabers of death for at least a few minutes, and was stated by yoda to be the only one in the entire order that could defeat ashared hett ...there has to be some kind of context to that last one though...
point is that mundi has an infinitely more impressive resume of feats whereas the only thing going for drallig is a title.
vader beat him with one hand while choking someone else for christs sake
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And this is supposed to show he was weak... Vader is insanly powerful, need I remind you he destroyed Count Dooku who was stated to be as great, if not better, duelest then Mace.
ki-adi has his low showing as well. Like being ravanged by GG despite having numerous other Jedi with him, or getting shot down by a few clones...
"The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground: but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible-wickedness cut in red light." Yoda DR.
It's not debatable.
Yes, Mace Windu could beat Dooku in a saber duel but that is only because of the super conducting loop of Vaapad.
doesnt correlate in any way shape or form to this:
what that passage was saying was that mace was at least his equal normally. however on Vjun dookus powers are amped so that hes stronger than normal. it has nothing to do with mace's vapaad. mace is dookus equal because he is simply skilled and prodigious not just because he has some super conducting loop.
as for anakin and dooku you cant use that as a comparison because whereas anakin was intensely focused and in a state of clarity against dooku he was in a state of indecisiveness and stress when razing the temple and fighting obi-wan... essentially he was not performing 100% like he was against dooku.
You misunderstand me. I claimed that Mace and Dooku are equals in skill. However, if the two ever fought Mace would win due to the loop. Yet, if the loop is taken away, they would once again be equals and each would win roughly 50%.
Proof? Yes he was clearly not preforming 100 against Kenobi but tjat does not mean he was preforming 100% during Operation: Knightfall.
Did... did you just swing around to debating Dooku's ability to debating Anakin's clarity of mind? Are you trying to score a free point, or something? Last I checked, Knightfall and Dooku are two very different settings.
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Cin Drallig Vs Ki-Adi-Mundi
Jan 26th, 2010 01:45 PM
http://darthglentract.tripod.com/index.html Go Jawa's!!
...there has to be some kind of context to that last one though...
