Sabers : Luke
All-out : Luke
Force: I would say it is draw. Although, Luke has more potential, Bane gets greater power as darksider by using such emotions as rage and hatred. As result his Force attacks are far more lethal like that shock wave capable to shatter all bones and pulverize flash into mass of pulpy liquid. But it hardly matters as even less powerful opponent can defend against such attacks. Kas'im - less powerful, than Bane, successfully blocked that Bane's Force blast. Moreover, Luke excel in defending against even more powerful attacks, for example blocking Force attack empowered by millions of killiks.
Also, Luke and Jacen invented alternative way of mustering immense power by overexerting themselves beyond capabilities at expense of blood cells burning out. As result Luke was highly combat effective even, when Force exhausted as evidenced, when Luke and Ben got ambushed by 15 Sith strike team, survived only Vestara because Luke let her.
And using the same technique allowed him to overpower opponents at crucial moments. By catching off guard he managed to Force block even Jacen and crush metal chair, while still holding him (which Jacen to his embarrassment couldn't bend back up after). He's done same thing to Gavar Khai and he was pinned to a wall for some time even after fight with other Sith started. Also, he was Force pushing around Lord Taalon empowered by Pool of Knowledge.
Also, Luke as result of restraining himself for many ears learned how to use Force wisely during combat and defeat opponents by utilizing least amount needed. Most notable example is fight against Baran Do Master Koro Ziil. Luke blocked his Force lightning (purely white) with lightsaber. Then Ziil conjured Force whirlwind, which Luke countered by simply rooting himself into place. Then Luke threw pillar torn away by the whirlwind and before Ziil could regain concentration Luke delivered simple kick instead of using Force attack. As result after kick Ziil fell down because of Force exhaustion, while Luke was only slightly fatigued.
Overall, I don't think that Luke would be able to handle Bane with Force alone. Force choke would be possible but he would not use it. And Bane even with greater power given by the darkside trying to handle Luke with Force would only tire himself up with no result.
Last edited by Arhael on Jun 14th, 2012 at 04:14 PM
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I don't really agree with that assessment. Luke was not only trained as a Sith Apprentice during DE, giving him insight into the Dark Side, but at this point he is the strongest person to have ever lived. I do not think that Luke is stupid enough to not realize he would have to go all out in a Force fight with Bane, and thereafter would absolutely crush him.
His morals do restrain him from most offensive powers, however, at the same time it is his greatest strength, it granted him victory so many times. In DE, when he used darkside, Sidious toyed him around but, when he fully embraced lightside, the odds changed.
Apart from Gamoreans the only time I know, when he used Force choke, was against Welk but he quickly amended himself and stopped. At that point his lightsaber was disabled, there was every reason to go all out, yet, he still refused.
In final battle against Abeloth with no lightsaber he used Force blasts only and mainly engaged her physically.
It is FotJ Luke, he is firmly on lightside and doesn't use darkside powers no matter what. Should there be contest without lightsaber, he would utilize Force blasts only and empower himself to engage in hand-to-hand combat.
Also, when Luke actually goes all-out in angry mode, he tends to use lightsaber only just like RotS Anakin.
And come on, Bane is one of the most powerful Sith known, he can't be just crushed by the Force, even if it is Luke. And I believe there is no single example, where Luke would crush someone with the Force.
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I don't mean literally crush. I mean more like either
A) Bash him around enough (Because again, Luke is not stupid enough to see that Bane would win if he held back or if he went into a fist fight)
or B) Do some crazy crap to him.
He certainly wouldn't hold back, when mustering Force blasts or delivering his favorite elbow strikes. What I meant by restrain is that he wouldn't use Force choke, lightning, mind domination and other darkside related powers.
But my original point is that darkside gives far greater power. That's why Bane not gonna be Force handled. On the other hand, if Luke was evil and embraced darkside, then Bane would truly be crushed.
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Oh, I agree with his lack of use of dark side- oriented powers.
But my point was that the dark side only gives a faster road to power. Neither side holds more power than the other, the Dark Side just gives faster and easier access to more power. The Light Side demands work and discipline, but is arguably better in the long run. At this point, Luke is pretty much the Avatar of the Light. He was never fully turned, and is pretty much incorruptible at this point.
Though I disagree, if Luke fell to the Dark, then he would be next to worthless. He was born to walk in the Light.
Actually it does.
Compare feats of Exile and Nihilus.
Compare feats of Jedi Knight and Vitiate.
Compare feats of Galen Marek with any Jedi, his TK feats far beyond any Jedi including Luke. His rage gave him power beyond his limits.
Compare feats of Jaina Solo and Caedus. There was clear power difference between them.
Compare Anakin, when he fights together with Kenobi and, when he is unsupervised and succumb to his anger.
Count Dooku was Jedi all his life, yet, he became even more powerful as Sith. Even Yoda said: "Powerful you have become, the darkside I sense in you".
Finally Sidious - he is the most obvious evidence of how powerful an evil darksider can become.
One of the main advantages of Sith is that they embrace anger and get enraged and it gives huge boost of power. And they use various other ways to amplify their power.
Agree. That's why I said "if he was evil". Because since he is not evil, he would suck as darksider even more, than his father.
Yoda was Jedi for over 800 years. Was he more powerful, than Sidious?
Luke as you say during DE was the most powerful user ever but was he more powerful, than Sidious? Not really. It took combined effort of Luke and Lea just to break Sidious' control over Force Storm. And still Sidious wasn't stopped or subdued, he just got into uncontrolable rage and continued channeling the Storm chaoticaly.
Meetra Surik was immenselly powerful but she never got even remotely as powerful as Nihilus.
Ones again I point out at Anakin. It is clear that he was becoming much more powerful by tapping into his anger, than when he was calm.
Oppress after getting enraged Force choked Dooku and Ventress, who were both far more experienced and immensely powerful themselves. Same for Ventress Force choking both Anakin and Kenobi.
Jaina and Jacen both achieved their full potential during over a decade of training and participating in wars. However, after becoming Sith Jacen was drawing on his anger and pain, which gave him far greater power. That's why it was only him using Force offensively, while Jaina barely defending and relying on precision and accuracy instead.
Sidious commited so many atrocities and fed on them that he became darkside nexus himself.
No matter how long Jedi study they will never achieve feats that Sith capable of. Jedi don't use anger, hatered, pain and fear to boost their power. They don't drain life Force from millions of beings or entire planets and don't amplify themselves by darkside nexuses, dark rituals, amulets and other stuff.
Jedi limit themselves from a lot of resources avaliable and win by better focus, precision and mind clarity offered by lightside instead.
Jun 14th, 2012 10:08 AM
Because since he is not evil, he would suck as darksider even more, than his father.
