Sith Emperor is extremely learned in the ways of the dark side; he can harness dark side power in the manner that others cannot.
Abeloth is also insanely powerful but she lacks in formal training in the ways of the Force (much of her abilities came natural to her but she is still like a wild animal); Sith Emperor can destroy her bodies from safe distance.
Even if Abeloth somehow grabs hold of Sith Emperor, he himself have Abeloth like capabilities and would switch to another Voice and then strike again (if he looses his body) but he can resist very well.
If Abeloth looses all of her bodies, can she still survive?
Sith Emperor, on the other hand, can dominate/possess any sentient individual to acquire a body for him. And he cannot be stopped until or unless his essence can be contained somehow.
Though this is likely to be a very long contest.
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__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
Mace appears to wield 24+ ( dozens ) blades from the perspective of Anakin, who can see ships flying "at respectable fractions of light" and react to them. Mace sees the shadow as a blur.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]:The Sith Emperor, history's most powerful dark side master, performed a ritual of incredible scope to consume the life energy of every being on his homeworld.
(SWTOR Encylopedia, Page 148)
They key word is "dark side master" here. Now hold old is Abeloth?
Sith Emperor had Abeloth like capabilities:
[SPOILER - highlight to read]:The Voice is the mouthpiece through which the Emperor delivers his orders. This possessed being sacrifices all consciousness to become a hollow vessel for the Emperor. Over the centuries, the Emperor has taken many Voices from young children to alien species. When the Voice speaks, it does so with the Emperor's cold, emotionless, and commanding tone. The Voice also wields the Emperor's incredible power and is capable of striking down anyone who displeases him. Those who converse with the Voice are overwhelmed with dread and unshakable obedience. To speak with the Voice is to speak with the Emperor himself.
The Emperor created his first Voice after the legendary Jedi names Revan attempted to assassinate him on Dromund Kaas. Though Revan's plot failed, he approached within striking distance of the Emperor. To guard against further vulnerability, the Emperor created the Voice to deliver his orders while distancing himself from the forces that conspired against him. Centuries later, this very safeguard would save the Emperor once more.
(SWTOR Encyclopedia, Page 163)
Sith Emperor could unleash insanely potent dark side powers:
[SPOILER - highlight to read]:During a violent tempest, Darth Lokess called a secret meeting of her eleven fellow Dark Council members. Under the cover of night, the Dark Council met and heard Darth Lokess describe a brilliant and daring plan to overthrow the Sith Emperor, end his relentless exile, and lead the Empire back to war against the Republic. An army of Sith under the command of Darth Lokess were stationed outside the meeting, ready to slay any Dark Council member who refused. But they all agreed to depose the Emperor.
It remains a mystery how the Emperor learned of his council's treachery. He allowed their plan to play out, but when they gathered to confront the Emperor, his punishment was swift and devastating. Eleven members of the Dark Council died in a sudden flash on the steps of the Citadel. The last member Darth Lokess, disappeared forever, though for some centuries some claimed her screams could be heard from the bowels of the Citadel.
A new council was immediately appointed to replace the traitors. The Emperor had made his point: his will was absolute, and none would oppose him. And though this was not the last time the council would defy the Emperor, his lesson would humble the Empire and its Sith leaders for centuries to come.
(SWTOR Encyclopedia, Page 156)
Revan had fold space and Sith Lords serving under Vitiate had flow-walking. None of them could do anything to Vitiate.
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Since Luke could ruin Abeloth bodies; Vitiate can do the same and possibly easier.
Question is; can Abeloth survive after all of her bodies are struck down?
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Celestials can survive and fight in ways that normal individuals cannot, but this is true for Vitiate as well, as per canon information.
Luke demonstrated that Celestials can be handled; he managed to ruin some of the Abeloth bodies by his own efforts. In constast, Vitiate is in better position to handle a threat like Abeloth.
Vitiate was also a godlike being:
[SPOILER - highlight to read]:Over 300 years ago, the great Jedi heroes Revan and Malak stumbled upon long-hidden Sith Empire's capital of Dromund Kaas, and its ruler - a mysterious, almost godlike avatar of the dark side. They argued briefly over whether to alert the Republic and Jedi Council, but Revan was already too consumed by arrogance and anger to consider the possibility of defeat. By the time Revan and Malak approached the Emperor in his throne room, they were already at the precipice of the dark side. It took only a fraction of the Emperor's loathsome power to complete their fall. The Jedi succumbed utterly to the Sith leader's domination and returned to the Republic to spark a new conflict: the Jedi Civil War.
(SWTOR Encyclopedia, Page 89)
Vitiate became so powerful that he could harness Galaxy-munching dark side power prior to him being stopped. He set in motion the process to consume the entire Galaxy and transform himself in to an omnipotent entity with unparalleled powers.
Of-course, this fight wouldn't end in few days; it might take much longer.
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Legend, you're wrong here. First off, Vitiate's main advantage (mind domination), isn't going to work at all. Secondly, if he is going to use one of his tricks that he needs to prepare, that's not happening against Abeloth either. I don't see a way he wins.
Also, Luke managed to defeat ONE body of Abeloth. It took the combined might of the Grandmaster, Dark Lord of the Sith, Ben, Vestara, and a bunch of other Jedi, just to defeat ALL of her bodies. She's not unbeatable but she's as close as it gets.
Yes. The fight Beyond Shadows against her main self was brutal, even with both Luke and Krayt working together, and even that wouldn't have been enough without the others hunting down bodies.
Mind domination is not the only trick under his arsenal.
Point is about Abeloth's bodies being vulnerable; they are not indestructible or are they? I mean, almost every notable individual in the Galaxy managed to fight off her bodies. If it was just Luke then you would have a point.
And they all managed to defeat her bodies, right?
Vitiate have demonstrated the capability to kill a dozen prodigiously talented Force-users simultaneously; possibly could do better; he can definitely handle Abeloth's bodies. He isn't restricted on his use of TK and lot of other stuff or is he?
Yes, Vitiate's effectiveness may depend upon his level of preparation and setting.
I am not assuming that Vitiate will win in every encounter against Abeloth; victory depends upon the circumstances for both. However, Vitiate cannot be stopped until or unless his essence can be trapped in a void or something else. Therefore, Abeloth isn't winning this fight either but if Vitiate finds the dagger then?
Please shut up.
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You're missing the point. If it took around 8-10 force users(one of which is a grandmaster and the other is the DLOTS) to defeat Abeloth, what chance does Vitiate have 1 on 1?
1. You can't use that because we have no idea what it was, whether it required preparation, and whether it would work on a Celestial.
And Abeloth attacks as quickly as possible.
What exactly can Vitiate do against Abeloth? Even if I grant Vitiate victory over Abeloth, how does that guarantee that she doesn't hop into another body? Like I said, I don't see anyone winning a 1 on 1 encounter with Abeloth.
I understand but none of them are Sith Sorcerers like Vitiate or are they?
If this is WTF situation for Vitiate and he is up against multiple bodies simultaneously of Abeloth then he surely is in serious trouble, until or unless, he is in a gigantic building and collapses it over Abeloth, crushing her bodies in the process.
Also, Vitiate may simply run away from the fighting spot, wait somewhere to gather his power and then return; their are too many possibilities. Continue to read below.
It can be considered for versus debates since it is a dark side ability of Vitiate; an unknown one to us but it is valid (the full extent of his abilities are not even known). Of-course, Vitiate may require sometime to gather such power but he is already siphoning energies from countless beings from across the Galaxy (in his story) to fuel his power; so he might gather such level of power lot quicker then we imagine.
Most importantly, Sith Sorcery works on anybody.
Same is true for Vitiate. Up against Revan, he continuously kept the Jedi preoccupied and upped his game with each passing moment. Against a much bigger threat; like the whole Dark Council; he unleashed a power of such a degree that he purged it in a single blow. He plans his moves according to the level of threat he is dealing with.
Vitiate is lot more powerful then he is given credit actually.
Vitiate can hop in to another body just like her (assuming that both have a pile of bodies stacked-up for themselves just in case). Haven't you read about "Voice of the Emperor" and/or spoilers in this thread?
Plus, their are several ways for Vitiate to ruin Abeloth's bodies. His own powers are extremely lethal.
I believe this fight is not going to end in a matter of minutes like most fights. This will be a struggle of epic proportions spanning a month or possibly more since both dark siders involved are insanely powerful with insane abilities.
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Vitiate isn't beating Abeloth dude. I know you're all up in Vitiates grill but you're getting a bit too into it. Like a stray hotdog that rolled down there. And now its too much trouble to fish out with the tongs. So you're just watching it crack and turn black. Just turn the fire off man. Shits getting embarrassing yo.
What does this even mean? How are you going to quantify that statement? 8-10 force users, 1 grand master and son of the chosen one, one dark lord of the sith, and it took the combined might of them all.
I don't see Abeloth looking up at a building as it falls on her.
Vitiate can't run away from Abeloth. She warps from point A to point B. There's nowhere he's going to be able to go.
But you don't know what "it" is. You wouldn't be able to prove that he could perform it without preparation, or if it would even be successful.
Not really true. The rules that apply for normal beings do not apply for Abeloth.
Be that as it may, he is not a Celestial.
No, he can't just "hop" into another body. Since he uses transfer essences, it takes some time for him to leave the current body and go into another one, whereas Abeloth can do it instantly, with many bodies.
None that you have mentioned that would be able to work on Abeloth I'm afraid.
And no Legend, I don't read your spoilers because I'm fairly certain I've beaten TOR many more times than you with many different classes.
Jul 13th, 2013 07:37 PM
