Emperor Vitiate, Exar Kun and Darth Sidious Vs Revan,Luke Skywalker and Yoda
So yeah, the strongest and most fearsome of dark lords versus the most powerful and wise of all jedi, at their peak of power(e.g Reborn Revan, NJO Luke etc.) here's a little info on all of them
Emperor Vitiate, as his title suggest he is the ruler of the "True" Sith empire and rule said empire with an iron fist up until he met his physical demise at the hands of the hero tython, even then he would not submit and instead of becoming one with the force, Vitiate chose to transfer his essence into another host, however his efforts were in vain as he would die years later.
Abilities.as a child Vitiate demonstrated a unique and immense affinity with force, such as channeling the dark side to torture his mother and snapping his adoptive fathers neck with a thought at the age of six, aswell as stripping a man of both his sanity and his power in the force at the age of 10, By the age of 13 Vitiate's power was so great that Marka Ragnos himself acknowleged him and granted the teenager the title of lord Vitiate. So obviously Vitiate is a powerful force user
Exar Kun. A jedi who fell to the dark-side and a true master of Form VI, even as a padawan Kun was considered to be immensely strong in the force by both his masters and his peers. after vanquishing Freedon Nadd from the galaxy, He along with his apprentice were declared the leaders of the new sith empire by the spirit of Marka Ragnos, however his dreams of an empire were crushed when his former apprentice led the republic to him forcing him to take drastic measures.
Abilities Even as a padawan Exar Kun was considered to be immensly strong in the force as well as displaying a tremendous amount of aptitude for the saber, as sith he delved in the knowledge of sith sorcery as well as gaining Freedon Nadd fabled amulet, despite all that his true power lay in his knowledge of Form VI: Niman as well as being the first to jedi to wield a saber-staff. So its obvious that Exar kun is a master duelist
Darth Sidious. Trained by the Sith Lord Darth Plagueis in the way of the dark-side, Palpatine became the driving force behind the clone wars outbreak orchestrating key events that lead up to the eventuall demise of the jedi order and republic, as well being the one that turned the chosen one to the dark-side, for a few years Palpatine would rule the galaxy until his apprentice betrayed him to save his son however this would not be the end of Darth Sidious.
Abilities. Often considered by many to be the full embodiment of the dark-side of the force, palpatine power was so great that he could create giant force storms that could destroy thousands, a master of the lightsaber palpatine alone was able to take on mace windu and three other as well as defeat the the grand jedi master himself Yoda.
Revan. A powerful Jedi trained by Jedi master turned Sith lord Kreia as well as two other master, during the mandalorian wars Revan along with his best friend Alek, were eager to join the battle in order to save the republic, the jedi order however deamed it to dangerous and ignored the jedi's pleas, angry at the council inaction Revan gathered a great number of jedi and asked them to join his cause, after rescueing the republic the tied began turn with the edge being on the his side, riding the momentum he lead his force to malachor v where the exile and her forces dealt a sickening and fatal blow to the mandalorian. a few years later he was betrayed by his apprentice and taken captive by jedi on dantooine where they wiped his memories and made him a scout in the service of the republic, he would later be retrained in the ways of the force and defeat his former apprentice who would later remark on how revan had grown stronger than he ever was, approximitly nine years later revan would leave into unknown space to fight the true sith.
Abilities. A Jedi master and a Sith lord revan was able to channel both sides of the force simultaneously, and as result Revan could unleash the force in its purest form, he could also choke his opponents as well as violently crush their organs he was also able to create a force lightning storm which could strike various opponents, using various acrobatic moves with his saber revan was a skilled practioner of Ataru.
Luke Skywalker. son of Anakin and Padme Skywalker. during the reign of the empire luke joined the rebel alliance in hopes of helping restore the republic, with his help the rebel alliance was able to defeat the Empire and restore peace to the galaxy, however the peace would not last as palpatine would return and an unknown threat would surface
Abilities. Trained by jedi master Obi-Wan Kenobi and former grand jedi master Yoda as well as being the son of the jedi turned sith Anakin Skywalker, Luke is by all means considered to be the strongest jedi of his if not of all time, able to use a great number of force power from the most basic of powers like force push to the most difficult powers such as using the force to create a massive force wave.
Yoda.According to legend Yoda was trained by Jedi master N'Kata Del Gormo. Yoda was the grand jedi master of the jedi order during the clone wars outbreak and a great number of year before that, during the clone wars yoda fought against his old apprentice count dooku many times, nearing the end of the clone wars the jedi were massacred by the clone troops a betrayal orchestrated by the sith lord Sidious who was masquerading as the chanccilor palpatine, Yoda dueled the dark lord in hopes of bringing an end to the sith, however, the jedi master underestimated the sith lord and was defeated, years later he would assist the son the Anakin Skywalker in bring about the end of the sith.
Abilities. Yoda was a powerful jedi, whos mastery in the force was without equal, his mastery of force telekinesis pull two ships at the same time an crash them into each other, a master of battle meditation and force valor a many other techniques, despite his age yoda was a master of ataru displaying knowledge in the highest levels of ataru.
so who would win between these six great jedi and sith.
Jedi. Without a Nexus, Revan should be able to stare down Vitiate, or at least keep him busy for the fight's duration. Sidious probably won't be able to defeat Luke, and Exar Kun is going to get his ass busted if he tries to face Yoda.
If Krayt truly is a peer of Luke then yes, I'd say he is superior to everyone on Team A. Of course, I haven't seen anything to suggests he is Luke's peer so it's a moot point.
How in the dark pit of malachor is Exar kun the weakest link, isnt he considered a master of the double bladed light-saber and Niman? as well as defeating the spirit of freedon nadd and Ulic Qel Droma? sure he may not be as strong as Sidious or Vitiate but he's no push-over IMO
Amplifying your rage hundreds of thousands of times, being undefeated as a Sith, and being a master swordsman are suddenly unimportant if you aren't from live media.
Amplifying rage hundreds of thousands of times is hyperbolic, being undefeated during a reign of two years is unimpressive, and his feats with a blade don't compare to that of Luke or Yoda.
Funny, because people take Stover's clearly hyperbolic words as canon, but Kun's rage amplification, which is supported by an omniscient third party narrator, is flawed.
The extent to which Kun stomped any and all who came after him is pretty legendary. Ulic could only hang because of his sheer saber mastery and was explicitly weaker in the Force. Vodo, a six hundred year old battlemaster, has lost to Kun multiple times as a padawan (KotOR Guide, iirc), stalemated Ulic (again, narrator calls both 'master swordsmen' and neither has a peer aside from each other), and utterly wrecked Odan-Urr, soaking the latter's mastered Force Sever and killing him with a wave of his hand.
This also ignores the fact that, with the single-hand-hilt of his unique weapon, he smashed through Vodo's "stronger than a lightsaber" Force-aided walking stick and cleaved the Jedi Master in half. He is ridiculously strong, powerful, and deadly.
By which you mean there are more feats for Luke and Yoda, so you take quantity as an indicator of quality, and damn the rest.
Now THAT quote can be hyperbolic. Stronger than a lightsaber would imply that a wooden stick can destroy a lightsaber. The only thing it could do was deflect one.
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By that he means Yoda has mastered all 7 forms of lightsaber combat and disarmed Darth Sidious in a duel (another master of all 7 forms and perhaps the greatest Sith blademaster in history). Luke also disarmed Sidious. So yes they both trump Exar Kun who's mastery is in Niman...not really a dueling centric form. Also Vodo got stomped because he was stupid enough to use his cane against Exar again.
Darth Malak's cybernetic enhancements were said to give him a large power advantage, even up to likes greater then that of Exar Kun's amulets?
Exar and Revan are similar, both Niman masters, both force powerhouses, but I'd give the advantage to Revan.
Kun has far better saber feats than Yoda or Luke. Namely, defeating a 600 year old battlemaster while merely a padawan, stalemating Ulic (who while cut off from the force can compete with notable Jedi in lightsaber dueling), not to mention inventing his own form (that was stated to be an improvement over the existing forms).
Exar Kun is easily the best lightsaber practitioner out of anybody in this thread.
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Emperor Vitiate, Exar Kun and Darth Sidious Vs Revan,Luke Skywalker and Yoda
Mar 18th, 2014 01:04 AM
