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Malak wins due to star forge
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The OP is unclear. Is it stating that Revan is fighting Darth Malak as Malak was during the final confrontation on the Star Forge at KotOR's end?
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
No, you didn't. In the same format you gave Revan a timeframe and Malak a location. Be clearer.
And essentially you're pairing a Revan about whom we have... little feats, and a Malak with whom we have video-game feats.
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You understand that to come to a conclusion, feats are needed, don't you? Revan has none during the war, and Malak's KotOR feats are all in-game mechanics. This is something we've been telling every new member who comes here for years.
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I'm not like all the Revanites who came before me, none of dared research where I have.
DARTH REVAN FEATS AND ACCOLADES
Accolades
"Revan was power. It was like staring into the heart of the Force. Even then, you could see the Jedi he would slay etched on his soul."
―Kreia (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords)
"But this young one, like the other Jedi brethren, is unaware of the tremendous dark side power wielded by Revan..."
―Chronicles of the Old Republic
"In battle after battle, Revan had led the Jedi and Republic forces to victory. Realizing defeat was inevitable, Mandalore the Ultimate had challenge Revan to single combat, and Revan had accepted. Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan
"The strength of numbers was a trap, one that snared all the great Dark Lords who had come before. Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, each had been powerful..."
―Darth Bane (Darth Bane: Path of Destruction)
"There weren't many people able to face Revan across a battlefield and survive the encounter."
―Chris Avellone (KOTOR Designer)
"Of the two traitorous Sith, Revan was the stronger. Malak grudgingly assumed the role of apprentice."
―Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic
"At the height of the Jedi Civil War, the Sith Empire covers nearly one-third of the known galaxy, with many worlds hotly contested between the Republic and the Sith Empire. Some worlds join the Sith Empire willingly, while others are taken by force. Dozens if not hundreds of Sith apprentices learn the ways of the dark side of the Force, and a few even rise to the rank of Sith Master, training students of their own. With legions of armored troopers, spreading throughout the galaxy, all led by masters of the Force, the Sith Empire seems unstoppable."
―Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide
"In only a few short weeks he'd learned more about the true nature of the dark side than he had in all his time on Korriban. Revan had been a true Sith Lord, unlike the simpering Masters who bowed to Kaan and his Brotherhood."
―Darth Bane (Darth Bane: Path of Destruction)
"As a Jedi general in the Mandalorian Wars, he led Republic forces to victory; as Darth Revan, corrupted by the will of the Sith Emperor, he became the Republic’s deadliest enemy."
―Revan Reborn Codex Entry (Star Wars The Old Republic)
"When the Mandalorian threat first arose, Revan and Malak were eager to defeat the enemy of the Republic. But the council thought it best if we moved with care and caution. The true threat, the council feared, had not yet revealed itself. But Revan would not be dissuaded. Charismatic and powerful, it was inevitable many of the Order would flock to Revan's seemingly noble cause. Malak was the first to join his closest friend. Others followed, many of our youngest and brightest, intent on saving the galaxy from the Mandalorian threat."
―Zhar Lestin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
"Revan and Malak. Once Jedi heroes, their fall to the dark side would ignite the Jedi Civil War and nearly obliterate the Republic."
―Star Wars The Old Republic Encyclopedia
"The great warrior from the sky."
―The Rakatan (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
"Gifted military leader and powerful warrior."
―Star Wars Darth Revan action figure
"...they [Darth Revan & Darth Malak] were strong enough in the Force to leave a... a trace"
―Bastilia Shan (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
Telekinesis
Revan is confirmed to be proficient in Force Whirlwind. (please log in to view the image)
Revan is confirmed to be proficient in Force Scream. (please log in to view the image)
Revan is confirmed to be proficient in Force Slam. (please log in to view the image)
Darth Revan force chokes a Republic Solider to death. (please log in to view the image)
Darth Revan force chokes an Imperial Officer. (please log in to view the image)
Feats
Revan defeats Mandalore the Ultimate, the most powerful Mandalorian of the time, in single combat.
"In battle after battle, Revan had led the Jedi and Republic forces to victory. Realizing defeat was inevitable, Mandalore the Ultimate had challenge Revan to single combat, and Revan had accepted. Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan
"Mandalore himself was killed at the hands of the Jedi Revan. The best of us could not defeat him!"
―Canderous Ordo (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
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Revan slaughtered the Rakatan on numerous occasions.
"You are the great warrior now, it seems. You came before and defeated us, and now do so again."
―Rakatan Warrior (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
"They [Revan and Malak] called lightning from the sky and destroyed our war beats and patrols."
―Rakatan Warrior (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
"And when my scouts told me of a great warrior from the sky slaughtering our raiding parties with mysterious powers and magics, I knew you had at last returned!"
―The One (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
"They tried to take you prisoner, but you unleashed your magic - what you caled the Force - upon them. Seeing your power they bowed before you and brought you here to me."
―The One (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
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Revan kills countless Echani, masters of precognition, during the Jedi Civil War.
"The Echani rely heavily on hand-to-hand combat and personal shield technology, and they had their asses handed to them by Revan during the Jedi Civil War, because, not surprisingly, there weren't many people able to face Revan across a battlefield and survive the encounter."
―Chris Avellone (KOTOR Designer)
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Revan defeats Yusanis, one of the greatest Echani generals in history.
"He [Yusanis] was slain by Revan in the Jedi Civil War when Revan sought to destabilize the Echani worlds. Revan succeeded."
―Handmaiden (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords)
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In addition to beating Mandalore the Ultimate, Darth Revan has also defeated Darth Malak even before his redemption.
"...Malak sees Lord Revan as soft, resulting in a tension that culminates in a lightsaber duel; Malak loses his lower jaw to Revan's blade, necessitating a metallic jaw guard."
―Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide
"They [Revan and Malak] called lightning from the sky and destroyed our war beats and patrols."
―Rakatan Warrior (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
Revan is stated to be proficient in Force Lightning in the Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide. (please log in to view the image)
Language Absorption
"You used the Force to draw the Rakata language for our minds, even as you planted Basic into our skulls so we could help you in your quest to escape the world."
―Elder Council (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
Revan is stated to be proficient in Language Absorption in the Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide.
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Other Force Powers
Revan is stated to be proficient in Force Deflection in the Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide. (please log in to view the image)
Revan is stated to be proficient in Farseeing in the Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide. (please log in to view the image)
Revan is stated to be proficient in Dark Healing in the Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide. (please log in to view the image)
Revan is stated to be proficient in Force Drain in the Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide. It is also stated in the sourcebook that he can amplify his Force Drain's powers to be effective as far as a Star System's distance. (please log in to view the image)
Revan is stated to be proficient in Force Slow in the Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide. (please log in to view the image)
Revan is stated to be proficient in Force Fear in the Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide. (please log in to view the image)
Revan is stated to be proficient in Force Rage in the Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide. (please log in to view the image)
Revan is stated to be proficient in Energy Resistance in the Knights of the Old Republic campaign guide. (please log in to view the image)
Knowledge & Tactics
"Revan was one of the greatest military leaders in the galaxy, in history. He knew what he was doing."
―Canderous Ordo (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords)
"To Bane it seemed the teachings contained within the single holocron surpassed those of the Academy's entire archives. Revan had discovered many of the rituals of the ancient sith, and as the holocron's avatar explained their nature and purpose, Bane could barely wrap his mind around their awesome potential. Some of the rituals were so terrible, so dangerous to attempt, even for a true sith master, that he doubted he would ever dare to use them."
―Darth Bane (Darth Bane: Path of Destruction)
"It was not your ships or your men or your vaunted 'fight for freedom' that won this, the final battle of the war. It was by the actions of one person–the Jedi Revan–that you prevailed. Revan's strategies and tactics defeated the best of us. Even Mandalore himself was taken aback by the ferocity, the tenacity, and the subtlety of Revan's plans."
―Canderous Ordo (Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan)
"It was ironic that Canderous was sharing all this with the architect of the Mandalorians' greatest defeat."
―Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan
"Revan was a brilliant military leader, and the Republic fleet began to win victory after victory."
―Zhar Lestin (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)
"Unbeknownst to the Jedi Order, DARTH REVAN has discovered numerous Sith artifacts and holocrons, all stored in great tomb-like cities buried beneath Malachor V's surface. As Revan plundered these tombs and relics, he fell deeper into the Dark Side."
―Chronicles of the Old Republic
*drum roll*
"It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike against them. Echani battles are fought several minutes in advance - in many ways, it is much like the game of dejarik played in the core systems. The most advanced among the Echani are able to predict the course of battles by months, and the most revered are said to be able to predict the path of wars. Only Revan ever demonstrated such a skill in war. And even as he slaughtered us, the Echani still respected him."
―Brianna (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords)
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Yeah we've gotten like... I don't probably about 20 guys come through here over the years who have listed pretty much all the stuff you just did about Revan and declared them indicative of combat prowess. They're not. Prowess (and power) in general, sure. But specific combative abilities? Like someone's specific endurance, stamina, speed, reflexes, pain threshold, situational mentality, etc. etc.? No.
All of that shows that he was brilliant, awesome, capable, powerful etc. etc. But how does that help us know how he would fair in a duel with Malak? He defeated Mandalore and outsmarted the Mandalorians in war. Great. How does that help us know how he would fair against Malak.
He can learn languages quickly and impart them in to a race's head. Great. How does that help us know how he'll fair against Malak?
People called him gifted and deadly. Great. How does that help us know how he'll fair against Malak?
He was skilled with telekinesis. Great. How does that help us know how he'll fair against Malak?
He was a master swordsman. Great. How does that help us know how he'll fair against Malak.
See, Revan is a character whose feats and abilities are all exposited through others. A vicarious character. I could have a million people call me one of the greatest boxers and model train builders who ever lived. But how does that help anyone know if I can beat The Hurricane in a fight? Specifically The Hurricane from a specific point in time in a certain place. There's no footage of my boxing abilities, no detailed breakdown of my abilities or tendencies from fight-to-fight, scenario-to-scenario. I could throw out any conclusion I want and call it "an opinion". I could be an ass and call it an "informed opinion" too boot. But it's based on what tickles my fancy the most, not on what makes sense.
You may as well actually open a thread to see who the better model train builder is, Revan or Malak. Revan defeated the Mandalorians so I think it's pretty clear what is model-train building skills are like. And Malak can drain Jedi on the Star Forge, so his model-train building powers are pretty clear too.
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You don't need specific combative abilities in order to form a debate. You compare and contrast what is given.
You compare the feats and quotes they both store, then determine the victor, like every other versus thread.
It demonstrates high intelligence and knowledge on many unorthodox powers that can be effective against Malak.
Because you compare those quotes to what Malak received...
Don't be a dumbass here. You include the factor of telekinesis, for both have feats/accolades on such. You do this for every other god damn versus thread in existence.
You compare his swordsman feats to Malak's...like everyother versus thread...ever.
I see you cannot handle a versus thread without an abundance of feats and accolades. The Hero of Tython to my knowledge has no feats on pain tolerance and situational mentality, guess we can't have a damn debate on him.
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__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
At least you give a response instead of ranting like Bumbleass over here.
Also, here you go:
He survives a crash landing on Lehon and survives Malak's star destroyer firing at him. Also I don't Revan's pain tolerance would change at all, so he can survive Vitiate's lightning full out and still stand up once it's over.
Most characters don't have endurance feats.
However Jedi Revan could run through the Star Forge while slaughtering an army of Sith and War Droids.
You can argue he is depicted with his lightsaber in a blur in the image of him against Mandalore.
Precognition
Elaborate what you mean by this.
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