He runs the gauntlet against these lightsaber duelists where he dispatched Count Dooku, with full rest and recovery. There will be no external application of the Force. Anakin is neither emotionally supercharged nor compromised; there will be no Emokin, and there will be no Zonakin.
The gauntlet may or may not be in the proper order, so you could see it more as a "who does he beat?" rather than a "how far does he get?" type of question.
1. Darth Bane (PoD)
2. Darth Vader (RotJ)
3. Exar Kun
4. Kyle Katarn
5. Darth Malgus
6. Darth Bane (RoT) - no orbalisks
7. Luke Skywalker (DE)
8. Count Dooku
9. Hero of Tython
10. Mace Windu
11. Darth Caedus
12. Yoda
My opinion is, he clears 1, 2, 3 and 4. Not so sure on 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9. Won't clear 10 through 12.
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Re: Anakin Skywalker (RotS) vs. dueling gauntlet
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1. Darth Bane (PoD) and 2. Darth Vader (RotJ) and 5. Darth Malgus
All of these characters are physically stronger than Anakin, so he won't be able to power through them like he did against Dooku. He'll have to win via being more skilled. Any of these characters would give him a tough fight.
3. Exar Kun
I would imagine that Exar Kun is a better duelist than Anakin. I think Kun would win.
4. Kyle Katarn
Not sure.
6. Darth Bane (RoT) - no orbalisks
Kinda pointless, I don't remember any feats from this incarnation of Bane without orbalisks. So N/A.
7. Luke Skywalker (DE), 8. Count Dooku, 9. Hero of Tython, 10. Mace Windu, 11. Darth Caedus, 12. Yoda
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Clearly board attitudes have shifted; 5 years ago Anakin was considered on a solidly lower tier than Exar Kun/Darth Bane. Such a duel would be considered a bit of a joke. I think the ancient sith infatuation has worn off for most sane minds.
Physical strength really isn't as important as raw power in the Force, of which Skywalker has the advantage in over all of the aforementioned except Vader.
Let's not pretend Anakin isn't an exceptionally skilled duelist. He's explicitly described as more skilled than his RotJ counterpart, and I don't think Bane or Malgus have any feats on his level.
The fights would be close, but their outcomes would be clear.
On what grounds?
I do not think Kyle Katarn ever replicated Skywalker's feats; most notably his peak performance against Dooku (even ignoring his Zonakin segment), one of the most prolific duelists in the Jedi Order's 25,000 year long history. Katarn has never beaten an opponent of that caliber.
I think the idea is to consider Darth Bane's feats in RoT without transferring the advantages of his orbalisks, in which case I would give Anakin the advantage here by virtue of superior combat feats.
Malgus and Bane are more powerful than Anakin. In terms of actualised power, not potential, obviously.
How is Anakin more skilled than Vader, lol? He should have all the skill he had as Anakin except much more. He's the same ****ing person just older and more experienced.
Inventing a lightsaber form, stalemating Ulic and stuff.
It's less infatuation with the Ancient Sith fading, and more to do with Skywalker consistently proving his ability against Count Dooku through the course of TCW over the last few years.
Before TCW Skywalker was heavily under rated, with many people calling his win over Count Dooku a fluke. And others saying It was just a One-Off "IN THE ZONE" Performance, and that outside of that he's no better than Ventress.
TCW has changed all that over the past few years. Skywalker doesn't need to be IN THE ZONE, but just a little pissed off to be fighting on Par with the likes of Dooku.
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Malgus? Maybe. But Bane as of PoD hasn't really demonstrated anything on Skywalker's level in terms of mastery or channeling of the Force. He has that one lame temple feat, and that's about it. Anakin has far more impressive building-collapsing feats, if we want to go there.
It should be noted that Anakin's ability to fuel his combat with the Force has clearly progressed faster than his actual, fine-tuned telekinesis, which is equal to that of Kenobi by RotS. His former ability is repeatedly emphasized as being virtually unmatched.
Um, Vader's sort of in a life suit? Like, it's emphasized by various persons working on the lightsaber duels for both films that the Anakin in RotS is the Anakin in his "prime" (that he reaches, at least) when it comes to his skill with a lightsaber. Even not buying such OOU arguments, I think RotS Anakin's saber feats speak for themselves; they are clearly superior to Vader's.
Inventing a lightsaber form is impressive but springs more from the fact that there was more room to invent more shit in Kun's age, and that Anakin didn't really need to invent anything. When he was put in his suit, he quickly developed his own new lightsaber style by incorporating elements from every form of combat; it is just a matter of necessity.
Anakin's pre-zone performance against Dooku is significantly more impressive than stalemating Ulic, given that Dooku >>>> Ulic by actual feats.
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