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Originally posted by ILS
Fisto.

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Dooku had taught Grievous well, and Grievous had taught his elite well. Coupled with Dooku's coaching, their programming in the seven classic forms of lightsaber dueling - in the Jedi arts - made them lethal opponents. But they were not invincible, not even Grievous, because they could be confused by unpredictability, and they had no understanding of finesse. A player of dejarik could memorize all the classic openings and countermoves, and still not be a master of the game. Defeat often came at the hands of less experienced players who knew nothing about the traditional strategies. A professional fighter, a combat artist, could be defeated by a cantina brawler who knew nothing about form but everything about ending a conflict quickly, without a thought to winning gracefully or elegantly. Enslavement to form opened one to defeat by the unforeseen. This was often the failing of trained duelists, and it would be the failing of the Jedi Order.

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Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Right, you do realize that her objective was to get the Chancellor to safety right? not have a full out fight with Grevious and the Magna-Guards. She kept them at bay and retreated. and then she destroyed them when she stood her ground.

Also, Jar'Kai is unorthodox? they seemed to have had no problem pushing Fisto back.

I'm going with Shaak Ti, personally.

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A professional fighter, a combat artist, could be defeated by a cantina brawler who knew nothing about form but everything about ending a conflict quickly, without a thought to winning gracefully or elegantly.

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Originally posted by ILS
And defeating them by virtue of their own inability to fight against non-lightsaber form techniques, not Shaak's own skill. Evidenced by the fact she only killed them in droves when she turned to unorthodox, direct methods with an electrostaff, whereas every time she had a saber in her hand she struggled to kill any. Luceno did a good job of explaining it to us.
-Labyrinth of Evil

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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yeah, it's a pretty desperate excuse, even if it does have some merit. It doesn't matter, though, because the miniseries battles are ridiculous anyway.

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Originally posted by Zenwolf
I find this kinda jarring, then what's the point of even training if defeat came often for those who were master combatants or master game players?

I mean losing to a cantina brawler and a noob dejarik player, you may aswell just stop what you're doing.

Edit: Wait...ok I get the combat one, but not really the dejarik one.

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Originally posted by ILS
The point is, MagnaGuards are designed primarily to face lightsaber wielding opponents who utilise the seven lightsaber forms. When faced with something as simple and, to them, unpredictable, as being stabbed in the chest by a staff, they can't cope.

Those are just analogies, and they hold true. A master fighter can prepare all day for all the intricate techniques and strategies one could present going into a fight, but if they don't prepare for basic, fundamental principles of fighting they'll wind up on the losing end.