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Kyle Katarn vs. Ki Adi Mundi
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Kyle Katarn vs. Ki Adi Mundi

Who gets REkt muffukas?


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The hyphens, carthage. The hyphens.


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Ah, ok Kyle-Katarn


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Kyle Katarn wipes the floor with him.

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Kyle Katarn wipes the floor with him.
You could at least post a reason for such a bold claim. I mean, where's the creativity, man?

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You could at least post a reason for such a bold claim. I mean, where's the creativity, man?

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Walked right into that one didn't I?

Okay, Kyle is a lot more skilled, more experienced, probably more powerful and has more options since he can use dark powers too.

Specifically he beat seven Dark Jedi with practically no training, has fought tons of dark-siders, including Reborn and Shadow Troopers, and Darth Caedus himself acknowledged him as a formidable foe.

Mundi has nothing on that.

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Mundi held his own against Grievous with lots of poor circumstances, and lifted a skiff out of the sand. Thoughts?


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Specifically he beat seven Dark Jedi


All of them excluding Jerec were feebs, and Kyle was never able to defeat him up front.

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with practically no training,


His feats never got any better later on, so I'm not sure how relevant that is.

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Caedus himself acknowledged him as a formidable foe.


Before curbing him and 4 other Jedi in less than 20 seconds.

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Mundi held his own against Grievous with lots of poor circumstances, and lifted a skiff out of the sand. Thoughts?


That's not bad but it's nothing compared to the stuff Kyle has pulled off.

Sure, holding his own against Grievous while exhausted and demoralised is good, but there's no doubt he would have died if the cavalry hadn't shown up. Kyle defeating a bunch of Dark Jedi with practically no training is way more impressive.

At most Mundi can hold off the inevitable for a bit before dying but that's about it.

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All of them excluding Jerec were feebs, and Kyle was never able to defeat him up front.


By whose standard?

Sure Jerec's lot were "feebs" when compared to the real Aces (guys like Dooku, Maul etc.) but they were still trained Dark Jedi. Even an "average" Jedi/Dark Jedi is a formidable foe for the vast majority of people in the SW galaxy.

That's like saying a regular soldier is a "feeb" compared to a member of the SAS. Does that make him a "feeb" compared to everyone else?


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Before curbing him and 4 other Jedi in less than 20 seconds.


Nope. In that fight they matched Caedus fairly well. Sure he had the upper hand but he certainly didn't "curb" them. Heck, even Mithric gave Caedus some trouble when he went nuts and started whaling on him. He had to work for that win. Plus he only beat Kyle due to manipulation of the environment (throwing a speeder at his back). Granted that is an example of superior tactical ingenuity but it still required an outside variable. He didn't win by just being a straight-up better duellist.

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By whose standard?


The standard of a Council-level warhero like Mundi.

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Nope. In the fight they matched Caedus fairly well.


You do know that the text states Katarn would have lost his legs in the first 7 seconds were it not for his allies, right?

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You do know that the text states Katarn would have lost his legs in the first 7 seconds were it not for his allies, right?


Yes. That's why I said "THEY matched Caedus fairly well." The entire group between them were able to put up a pretty decent fight.

At the very least they weren't "curbed." "Curbed" would be Caedus beating the entire team without effort which is not how it went.

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That's not bad but it's nothing compared to the stuff Kyle has pulled off.

Sure, holding his own against Grievous while exhausted and demoralised is good, but there's no doubt he would have died if the cavalry hadn't shown up. Kyle defeating a bunch of Dark Jedi with practically no training is way more impressive.

At most Mundi can hold off the inevitable for a bit before dying but that's about it.
So, to summarize; you believe holding off Grievous, one of the best fighters in the mythos, while exhausted, at a form disadvantage due to Ataru being poor against multiple blades and being unfamiliar with Grievous' extremely unorthodox form, and while being at a physical disadvantage overall, is "nothing compared to" Kyle defeating 7 largely unexplored duelists and then improving to an unspecified degree later on?

Interesting.


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Dark Jedi are actually a pretty strong bunch, they aren't all powerful but even a skilled Jedi are hesitant against them, abit brief.

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- Taken from Threats to the Galaxy.


Considering the fact, that Kyle who wasn't quite a Jedi yet, it's pretty nice. Although Kyle does also have his Stormtrooper training to fall back on, so that would have also helped him out.

Still I find Mundi being more impressive regardless.


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Thing is, Dark Jedi is an incredibly broad term, and you don't necessarily have to be skilled to acquire. That sourcebook is likely referring to a specific criteria of Dark Jedi opposed to all of them.


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Thing is, Dark Jedi is an incredibly broad term, and you don't necessarily have to be skilled to acquire. That sourcebook is likely referring to a specific criteria of Dark Jedi opposed to all of them.


It's not. That was a generalized statement of a Dark Jedi, you then have the Reborn under it and then Dark Jedi Master.

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