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Stigma
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Orbalisk Bane vs. Exar Kun

Setting: Massassi Temple

* Bane gets his Orbalisk
* Kun gets his amulets

Old school categories:

1) Sabers
2) Force
3) All-out

Who wins?

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AncientPower
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1.Exar Kun.
2.Exar Kun.
3.Exar Kun.


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Lets see those orbalisks absorb them blasts lmao.

Bane loses again


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1. Bane
2. Maybe Kun
3. Tough Fight, could go either way depending on how it went down.

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Lets see those orbalisks absorb them blasts lmao.

Bane loses again


Considering lightsaber blades bounce off them and they absorb darkside energy, I imagine they'd do pretty damn well.


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Considering lightsaber blades bounce off them and they absorb darkside energy, I imagine they'd do pretty damn well.


Them being able to absorb dark side energy from what they have their teeth in is a little different than them being able to withstand dark side attacks. Otherwise, voltage or not, Dark Side Lightning would have no effect on them at all.

How would they fare against blasts? I don't really know, because the nature of Force Blasts isn't really solidified as far as I know. Is it a blunt attack of condensed energy that smashes through things, like Bala or Cero from Bleach? Or is it more like a heat wave/laser that would reduce it's targets to charred husks? No clue on this end, tbh.

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Stigma
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^ That's an interesting question tbh. I think the blasts are one of the cards up Kun's sleeve that may grant him the win

In sabers I see it as an epic battle mainly due to a great advantage that Orbalisk gives and due to Kun's skill and style that will prove very hard to counter for Bane.

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Them being able to absorb dark side energy from what they have their teeth in is a little different than them being able to withstand dark side attacks. Otherwise, voltage or not, Dark Side Lightning would have no effect on them at all.

How would they fare against blasts? I don't really know, because the nature of Force Blasts isn't really solidified as far as I know. Is it a blunt attack of condensed energy that smashes through things, like Bala or Cero from Bleach? Or is it more like a heat wave/laser that would reduce it's targets to charred husks? No clue on this end, tbh.


Ok.

I think both possibilities offer Bane the chance at decent protection. If it is heat based, well I doubt its hotter than a lightsaber. And if it's concussive, recall that even while weakened and exhausted Bane blocked half a dozen concussion grenades. His force barriers can tank a few shots from Kun and afterwards impact it significantly enough for the orbalisks to tank.


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Kun might lose the first one because of the Orbalisks' repellent properties and the fact that Bane is pretty close to him as a swordsman (there shouldn't be physical disparities except durability, which is easily in Bane's favor).

He could win the rest, though.

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Couldn't Kun smash through the Orbalisks considering he smashed through Vodo's stick which was stronger than a Lightsaber and walls made of Mando Iron.


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The orbalisks have regenerative properties


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Bane's Force Lightning fried and killed the Orbalisks, Exar Kun's Force Blasts of dark side energy would produce at least the same effect.

Kun wins sabers because he is far too cunning a duelist, is faster, is stronger and can last just as long or longer.


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Bane with his orbalisks overwhelmed Darth Zannah, killed 6-7 Sith assassins, fought evenly with amped Raskta Lsu, and killed Vallenthyne Farfalla. His armor is the biggest issue and he isn't far behind Kun as a duelist with his armor. But yeah his blasts while amped by the nexus of the temple is too much. Bane's never deflected anything that can disintegrate massassi, destroy a massive portion of the temple wall, kill a Sith wyrm, etc.

Exar wins overall


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Bane's Force Lightning fried and killed the Orbalisks, Exar Kun's Force Blasts of dark side energy would produce at least the same effect.

Kun wins sabers because he is far too cunning a duelist, is faster, is stronger and can last just as long or longer.


Lolwut? No it wouldn't.

Kun isn't faster than Bane. Not remotely, Bane is faster than him. Bane's also at least his equal in strength and with those abilities on top of his orbalisks and extensive experience against double-bladed lightsabers he can take Kun apart in sabers.


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Force Lightning of Bane's tier has nothing on obliterating sith wyrms and disintegrating Massassi, absolutely nothing.

Kun has fought on even terms with Ulic whom has blitzed Dark Jedi, and created several after-images of not just his blade but himself in mid-combat.

Exar Kun smashed a man-sized hole through three feet of beskar, Bane has nothing on that.

Standard saberstaffs are nothing on Exar Kun's weapon, which shares none of the hilt-based weaknesses, has dual-phase settings and is capable of changing the intensity of the blades themselves.

Exar Kun is also a far greater duelist than any of Bane's opponents, Bane doesn't even come close to winning never mind taking Kun apart.


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You mean other than obliterating Drexls and disintegrating armored fighters? Bane's lightning occupies the very highest tier. Kun's never had to block a force attack so powerful. It's not about power though, Bane's lightning was something the orbalisks were specifically weak against and Kun's blasts won't have the same effect.

Bane blitzed actual Sith and moved so fast it appeared he was wielding a dozen lightsabers at once to the perceptions of Zannah.

That wasn't just a strength feat, he had to turn his lightsaber to maximum intensity to do it, he failed on pure strength. Bane has ripped a durasteel door off it's hinges while drugged and weakened and has blasted a lightsaber out of a Jedi Master's hands. He's also much more beefy than Kun.

Yet Bane still knows the movements for double-bladed sabers and is well versed in the dual blade design and how to predict it based on that. Kun's never faced a hook-handled saber in contrast.

Kas'im mastered every aspect of lightsaber dueling and then honed his skills in every area to perfection. I'm pretty sure he's at least as good as Kun.


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Non-nexus feats please.

Maximum intensity is the same setting as a normal saber blade, besides Kun was not giving it his all.

Bane is not much beefier than Kun, Kun has immense muscle mass himself, but this isn't really relevant when Force augmentation can put an average physical specimen over a prime one.

There isn't some singular method of using a saberstaff, Exar Kun is a top tier Niman master, arguably the best ever given his specailisation of the form. He also uses unpredictable methods of fencing, trickery and precognitive attacks are his game method. Kun is more than used to undoing Form V Djem So and Form III Makashi specialists, the forms of the day in his time.

Bane knows nothing about Kun's unique saberstaff, he likely won't even know it is ond before falling jnto , furthermore in Kun's time arcane weaponry and ancient specialist designs were not all that rare.


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Yeah. I'm siding with Kun.

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Non-nexus feats please

Yeah. That's a glaring weakness of most pro-Bane arguments. thumb up

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Non-nexus feats please.

Maximum intensity is the same setting as a normal saber blade, besides Kun was not giving it his all.

Bane is not much beefier than Kun, Kun has immense muscle mass himself, but this isn't really relevant when Force augmentation can put an average physical specimen over a prime one.

There isn't some singular method of using a saberstaff, Exar Kun is a top tier Niman master, arguably the best ever given his specailisation of the form. He also uses unpredictable methods of fencing, trickery and precognitive attacks are his game method. Kun is more than used to undoing Form V Djem So and Form III Makashi specialists, the forms of the day in his time.

Bane knows nothing about Kun's unique saberstaff, he likely won't even know it is ond before falling jnto , furthermore in Kun's time arcane weaponry and ancient specialist designs were not all that rare.


Those are non-nexus feats.

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Then why wasn't Kun's lightsaber on that setting already? The narration also says that Kun was being helped and he sure as hell looks like he was giving it his all. Either way, he barely scratched it on pure strength, but with help and his sabers maximum setting he cut through it.

Bane is a bit taller and is massively muscled. I underestimated Kun's own size, but Bane still has an edge on him.

Kas'im explains to Bane's the "trick" to the double-bladed saber:

"In combat, your mind tries to keep track of each blade separately, effectively doubling the number of possibilities. But the two blades are connected: by knowing the location of one, you are automatically aware of the location of the other. In actual practice, the double-bladed lightsaber is more limited than the traditional lightsaber. It can do more damage, but it is less precise. It requires longer, sweeping movements that don't transition well into a quick stab or thrust. Because the weapon is difficult to master, however, few among the Jedi-or even the Sith-understand it. They don't know how to attack or defend effectively against it. That gives those of us who use it an advantage over most of our opponents."

Bane knows the double-bladed saber inside and out, he actually has much more experience fighting against it than Kun does fighting with it. Incidentally, those longer, sweeping attacks Kas'im mentions would be terrible for targeting Bane's vulnerable points. And Bane also uses unpredictable methods of fighting with his orbalisk armor allowing him to swat attacks aside with his hands and tank blows while focusing on offense. Which is a far greater advantage over Kun's tricks, he only needs to defend his head and that'll be easy with his greater speed. Also I don't think Kun's ever actually fought a Djem So or Makashi duelist in the comics. Ulic used Shien. But Bane also uses Soresu and Juyo.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows about Exar Kun's lightsaber, tons of them used it as the basis for their versions. Also the rest of your sentence didn't maeke onty sense.


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Apart from the Drexl perhaps.

How the hell would I know? No, Freedon Nadd makes his presence known to Kun, encouraging his effort.

Which is irrelevant when Kun's augmentation is superior.

Standard saberstaffs are nothing like Exar Kun's unique weapon, this is a legends fact. Stop ignoring this so you can lowball Kun as usual.

Exar Kun is a master of his weapon, don't be ludicrous.

Ulic was a Djem So user, so was Vodo, Makashi was a common form back then. Niman on Kun's level has been used once, by Kun himself.

No, people have heard of Exar Kun's saberstaff and ascribe the weapon to Kun as it's originator, yet Kun's weapon is entirely different from standard saberstaffs, it has half the length of a saberstaff hilt, as it simply has another emitter on the base of the hilt. It uses a dual-phase setting and intensity settings.

Exar Kun uses these settings randomly to confuse and trick enemy duelists, combined with his battle precognition it made him unstoppable in combat. These tactics would completely negate Bane's efforts and Kun's aim is precise, taking maximum effect on the orbalisks' weak spots.

Furthermore, Kun's chest plate contains lightsaber resistant materials, Exar Kun is his physical equal or superior.

Furthermore in an all-out Kun can quite seriously beat him down with the Force, his defenses are also superior.

Exar Kun wins, all here except yourself agrees.


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