Jaggarath
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Exar Kun vs Darth Vader
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by AncientPower
Exar Kun has been confirmed to be one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time, his multiple comparisons to Darth Sidious certainly backs up the view point that he is on the absolute top-tier.
He proves he is on the top-tier by amping Kyp Durron to beyond Darth Vader's power, whilst still nothing but a spirit, with only some of his own lost power and 'vast reserves' made up for by drawing on Kyp, Gantoris and Streen. Even the temple's focal points could only sustain his will, not make up any measure of power for him.
That legitimately confirms that Exar Kun as a 'disembodied will' in the Jedi Academy Trilogy was only at a fraction of his power. This meaning that in his prime in TOTJ, he's capable of fully overwhelming a fully defensive JA!Luke tier combatant; whom had already achieved ROTJ Darth Vader's prowess.
Guess who else could easily defeat DE/JA Luke? Reborn Palpatine, whom Luke repeatedly compares Kun to.
These repeated comparisons are adhered to, by the fact that Exar Kun's spirit was an extremely powerful focal point/nexus of Dark Side energy; just like Darth Sidious had been.
Now hold your horses, I am by no means implying that Exar Kun is as powerful as the most powerful Sith ever; I am simply stating that these accolades, feats, and hype prove Exar Kun's power is on the lower end of the top tier Force Users in the mythos.
People can ignorantly claim this to be nothing but unsubstantiated wank, but I await a serious rebuttal.
On the other side of things, I actually place Revan on the same tier of power. His ability to Tutaminis the Force Lightning of Sith Emperor Vitiate, and successfully take on the Coalition Forces leaders, then only lose due to an enemy amp; are both feats strong enough to support his accolades/hype as a legendary top Force User.
In terms of knowledge, Exar Kun knew of techniques that a Luke Skywalker- whom was going all-out defensively, with every technique he knew- was utterly over-whelmed and described as futile in his efforts.
That isn't just some drain hax or some other generic sorcery attack, that's about as strong a technique as we have seen a sorcerer utilise in combat.
In terms of dueling, Kun is an unparalelled master of Niman and has incorporated unique saberstaff sequences, Trakata elements, and an array of dual-phase techniques. It's a personal hybrid form that nobody in the mythos has replicated.
His only two challengers as the supreme Form VI master are both still trapped within the boundaries of typical Niman usage.
Neither Darth Maul or Darth Krayt adapted the form to become an 'unstoppable' style, they only utilised elements and mixed those with excellent but entirely traditional masteries of saberstaff and Jar'kai duelling respectively.
Exar Kun was considered unparalelled in his time as a lightsaber master, said time being the Tales of the Jedi era, an era in which more Jedi Weapon Masters lived than any other.
His feats against Vodo and Ulic are higher than anything Revan can overcome. Ulic Qel-Droma has on three occasions been described as the archetypal Luke Skywalker hero, a prodigy and an excellent swordsman, hailed and praised repeatedly for his skills with the blade.
Ulic's ability to contend with Sylvar is an utterly under-appreciated feat.
Ulic hadn't dueled in 13 years, was physically out of his prime and had lost all connection to the Force. Meaning he was extremely rusty and, as described in Force and Destiny, at a serious disadvantage after having relied so heavily on his immense Force prowess, as one of the most powerful Sith Lords in galactic history.
Even despite this he managed to successfully fight a former Jedi Knight in Sylvar, whom has moved faster than Nomi Sunrider could even see, one-shotted Massassi Warriors, and slaughtered an entire Killik Nest single-handedly without any injury.
Importantly, Sylvar was even more bloodlusted and enraged than she had been when she opened up a clinic in that Killik Nest.
Last but not least, do not forget that Ulic is a Form V: Djem-So master, a form designed for high aggression and counter-attacking. Despite that he fought a purely defensive duel against Sylvar, putting him in an even more disadvantageous position.
So without a doubt in Ulic Qel-Droma we have a natural born prodigy of a master duellist, whom has been compared to Luke Skywalker as an excellent swordsman.
Yet Exar Kun, without his saberstaff and his unique deadly style; perfectly stalemated Ulic Qel-Droma in a combat that would have lasted hours until they both died.
Now considering that they are such masters of lightsaber skill so as to fail to make any kind of mistake or leave any kind of opening for hours, then they are both clearly above the likes of Malak, Revan's main claim to lightsaber fame.
That isn't even in Kun's prime as a duellist either, so yeah Exar Kun is on a completely different level to Revan.
Now Anthony, if you insist on these baseless claims of Revan's 'superiority' in 'virtually everything' then that is your choice; I can only hope you will see how futile it is to make such definitive claims when infact solid arguments can be made for either.
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Nov 13th, 2015 10:46 PM
Aurbere
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Agreed. Exar Kun's abilities are clearly vastly superior to Vader's.
Nov 13th, 2015 10:52 PM
Deronn Solo
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Vader guts Exar.
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Nov 13th, 2015 10:54 PM
Nephthys
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Kun.
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Nov 13th, 2015 11:00 PM
FreshestSlice
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Aurbere
Agreed. Exar Kun's abilities are clearly vastly superior to Vader's.
Nov 13th, 2015 11:10 PM
carthage
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Sabers is either way
Vader takes force
Vader takes all out in a tough fight
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Nov 13th, 2015 11:17 PM
AncientPower
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Vader takes sabers.
Stalemates in raw power.
Sorcery takes the advantages.
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Nov 13th, 2015 11:52 PM
Beniboybling
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by AncientPower
Stalemates in raw power.
This is an improvement.
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Nov 14th, 2015 12:08 AM
Jaggarath
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Prolly talking about Vader without the Mustafar injuries, LMFAO
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Nov 14th, 2015 12:09 AM
AncientPower
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
This is an improvement.
His recent canon feats have bumped him quite significantly.
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Nov 14th, 2015 12:20 AM
Beniboybling
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And will continue to do so. (please log in to view the image)
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Nov 14th, 2015 12:29 AM
cs_zoltan
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His best feat is from TFU2
Nov 14th, 2015 12:33 AM
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Vader
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Nov 14th, 2015 12:43 AM
carthage
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He has scores of impressive feats in canon that are on par with his TFU feats.
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Nov 14th, 2015 12:57 AM
ILS
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So does your mother
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Nov 14th, 2015 12:57 AM
carthage
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My mother was killed in the Iraq war, **** you
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Nov 14th, 2015 12:59 AM
cs_zoltan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by carthage
He has scores of impressive feats in canon that are on par with his TFU feats.
His TFU2 feat is stalemating Starkiller while throwing the fight. Starkiller's feats are equal or superior to Canon Vader feats, so no, Vader's TFU2 feat is superior.
Nov 14th, 2015 01:07 AM
Beniboybling
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Let's not fight over Vader's awesomeness folks. His superiority to Kun is all that matters.
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Nov 14th, 2015 01:12 AM
cs_zoltan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Beniboybling
Let's not fight over Vader's awesomeness folks. His superiority to Kun is all that matters.
That's old news.
Nov 14th, 2015 01:17 AM
TheNuisanceBird
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Not sure about sabers. Exar Kun's unorthodox technique might momentarily catch Vader off guard, but I think he'd be able to retaliate.
Not sure on Force either. Are we assuming Kun has the Sith amulets?
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