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TPM Darth Sidious vs Emperor Valkorion (Force only)

I want to see where this discussion goes.

Fight takes place anywhere - Zakuul, let's say. 10m starting distance. Morals off.

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Valkorion easily. Dude eats planets, Sidious can't compete in TPM.


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Uh, Valkorion.......


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Valkorion easily. Dude eats planets, Sidious can't compete in TPM.


Sidious' power was such that it was threatening the balance of the Force itself. I think he can compete fine.

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Valkorion.

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Valkorion.


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Sidious' power was such that it was threatening the balance of the Force itself. I think he can compete fine.


With Plagueis and months of meditation. Give Sidious those things and my answer will change. Perhaps.


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I'm talking about the one after Plagueis' death, right at the start of the novel. It seems like it was even more potent than the ritual one.

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Not concrete on that. Isn't it just Sheev getting a boner over killing Plagueis and typical Sith delusions of grandeur?


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No. He felt it affecting the lives of everyone in the galaxy, and he wondered if the Jedi had felt the Force shifting "irrevocably".

Also, Sidious is stated to be the "epicenter" of the tremor that took hold of Coruscant and seemingly reached out to shake the stars themselves upon Plagueis' death. So yeah, it's not due to Plagueis' death, but Sidious gaining power upon that killing Plagueis. It was "sprung from death", as in, perpetuated by Sidious' murder of his master, but Sidious being the epicenter of the tremor is proof that it's about his power.

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I'll check it at home but I'm fairly sure it's an irrelevant nothing "feat".

Not that it has anything to do with combat anyway.


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How is that nothing? The power that Sidious gained/ended up with shook Coruscant and went on to shake the distant stars. It also affected everyone in the galaxy and irrevocably shifted the Force. Frankly, something like that seems beyond even Valkorion.

Indeed, the only thing left is to see how applicable it is to combat. But then, your prior example of Vitiate devastating worlds is hardly combat-applicable, either.

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It's nothing because nobody with any sense would think he actually shook Coruscant or the stars. It's just delusional garbage from Sheev getting drunk on power.

But like I said, I'll check in when I'm at home.


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Well, it takes place through the lens of the Force, not necessarily physical sight. Which means it doesn't have to be a physical shaking of the stars. Just a distortion of the Force around it.

In other words, the power that Sidious gained would've radiated throughout Coruscant and into outer space (quite possibly throughout the entire galaxy), distorting the fabric of the Force itself, which thus causes the Force to shift irrevocably.

Given the nature of Sidious' description of the Force's shift, it would seem that this shift was unprecedented - and thus greater than even the one caused by Plagueis and Sidious' joint meditations. Which would be the start/continuation of Sidious existing as an imbalance in the Force itself - hence why his death is what brings balance to the Force. So it all comes together.

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How does Valkorion even kill Sidious? He has nothing in his arsenal that would penetrate Sidious' Force shields.

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TPM Sidious (who's admittedly equal to Plagueis) loses to him as either Valkorion or Vitiate (and no; you can't logically take Valkorion's word that "[he is] no Sith" when there's an out-of-universe, factual statement that he's "an ancient Sith entity" in SWTOR's Valkorion Codex entry–and it's petty and childish to use that argument just to say "he surpassed Darth Plagueis," or to say he's somehow better as a whyte gai than he had been as a member of the Sith species).


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In short, either you take the word on the back cover of the harcover edition of Darth Plagueis novel that "Plagueis was the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived" as legit and Plagueis > Valkorion > Vitiate, or you don't and Valkorion > Vitiate > Plagueis (because, to be completely honest, Vitiate's got more impressive feats; all Valkorion ever did was knock out Arcann with Force Lightning on a favorable Force nexus and telekinetically dominate the pre-training Outlander–and show the potential to murder dozens of Zakuul Knights with Force Lightning on Zakuul and blow Arcann away with Lightning that, for whatever reason–probably because they were on Asylum–was weaker).


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How was Zakuul favorable to Valkorion? He shares the same alignment as Arcann.

Anyways, I'm of the thought that TPM Sidious > Plagueis ~>= Valkorion > Vitiate.

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Valkorion had more time than Arcann to get seated on Zakuul, lol. His buttprint is bigger.


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How was Zakuul favorable to Valkorion? He shares the same alignment as Arcann.

Anyways, I'm of the thought that TPM Sidious > Plagueis ~>= Valkorion > Vitiate.
Valkorion relied more on his Force abilities; it's like the difference Malachor V would make for Traya compared to Sion.

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