Vader has far more going for him in the quote wars facility, a feats argument, of course would be a joke for Teneb. That would be true if I pitted him against Tott Donetta. But as the biggest authorial intent proponent here yourself, I suppose you'll gladly accept the idea of Vader being 80% post ANH Sidious. Does that not count as enough to be holistically above Tenebrous?
Not necessarily, since we don't have any other characters to use as a reference on that scale other than full potential Anakin, whose power isn't clearly defined. What does "80%" mean, exactly? Where would your average Jedi Master fall? 10%? 20%? 40%? We don't really know.
George did say that Vader was more comparable to Maul or Dooku than to Palpatine after being maimed, though, so it's likely that he considers a 20% difference to be pretty substantial.
Hm, interesting. Vader has more raw power, but Tenebrous has greater esoteric knowledge and a superior mastery of the force. In lighsaber combat, it's hard to tell precisely how Tenebrous would perform with a blade. But several more decades of practice, along with not having to redesign his lightsaber form halfway through his life like Vader did, should at least put Tenebrous in the same ballpark as Vader. And while Vader has more feats in the dueling department, I don't recall any duelists that he has defeated that would really be outside of a late-Banite Master's paygrade. Particularly one whose speciality is lightsaber dueling.
All in all, I'd give it Tenebrous, but Vader could probably win a few rounds.
Last edited by lazybones on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 11:35 PM
The standing is made pretty clear. You believe what the author has in mind during the conception of a text is the correct and absolute interpretation of an event, and that a separation between the intent of the writer and what's written on paper doesn't exist. I don't necessarily agree, and while my opinion is supported by some modern literary criticism, notably in Wimstatt and Beardsley's "The Intentional Fallacy" and Barthes' Death of the Author essay, we can get into that argument another time.
You are a fan of word of god theory, and if every other Star Wars writer was an arch angel, or a prophet of God, Lucas is the Father almighty.
Actually... yes he is.
The Hypothetical Anakin is meant to be 200% of Palpatine. That's a pretty clear and precise definition, even moreso than the Gillard tiers. The only nebulous factor is which version of Palaptine is being referred to. ROTS Sidious or beyond? Either way, Teneb doesn't really compare.
80% means 80%. You understand basic math right? If I bench 100Kg for 1 rep and you can do 80% of that, how much are you benching? Think of the same but with Telekinesis.
I can't tell you either, but somehow, on that same note, you're fairly certain that Vader was eventually passed in between the ranks of bane and Tenebrous, based on...? not much really. In the case of accolade wars, the best we can say is that neither receive scaling from the other. As Vader is certainly not in the line of banite's predating Tene, and the latter might be close 80% to ROTJ Sidious, although i wouldn't hold my breath on such a stance. Other than that, we have feats for both, which Vader is pretty laughably winning in any comparison.
I mean, I would hope that 19 bby Vader, at his most physiologically compromised point, with a broken body, is more comparable to those two than Sidious. We'd have a true spite thread on our hands then if the opposite were true. But are you going to tell me that he didn't improve from that point upwards until ROTJ, his most powerful point? Because that would be the case if this statement were to have any relevance in this thread.
So now you're speculating the intent behind the authorial intent. Did you have the conversation with Lucas himself on this topic? because that's the only way we're getting a straight answer on the matter of Lucas' thoughts. But 20% is what he said, and that what we have to go from. And as an exact percentage, the difference isn't substantial.
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