Rebels Maul is in the range of a force user who several years pre-rebels was pulling ships out of the sky that were significantly larger than the ship TCW Maul dragged a few feet. The less powerful TPM Maul gets clowned with the force.
Sabers wise, the evidence for maul having degraded as of TCW, where's he's authoritatively more impressive than TPM Maul both physically and in terms of skill, would be:
And that Maul was in his physical prime is an assumption yea, force augmentation is a thing, and the more powerful a force user, the more powerful is his augmentation.
Rebels Maul colelcted artifacts, looked for holocrons, and was troubling the empire during his decade. And yea, he was a broken character stuck in his TPM past, which again regards Emotional growth, not combative growth.
So again, in terms of evidence regarding Maul's combative abilities degrading, we have...
Yeah 2 combatants with the same level of skill and training. Jeez I wonder what difference potential and mind set would make.
Yeah it’s just an assumption that Pre-Prime Pre-TPM Maul was grappling with Rathtars right...
Urrm.. You do realise TPM Maul can also augment his strength right? Because I must have missed the part where you proved Rebels Maul was more powerful in the Force than his TPM self.
Ooh he collected artefacts? Wow I didn’t realise collecting items made people more powerful.. My bad.
Yeah mind sets don’t effect use of the Force or combat ability right? AHEM Mustafar Anakin AHEM
Yeah that plus there’s really no contest in terms of feats.
You on the other hand have presented absolutely nothing to back up Rebels Maul’s case.
The word you're looking for here is power, not potential. Again, Maul has had time to grow with power and atm has relativity with Rebels Vader. I'll repeat, Vader several years pre-rebels has done a better version of TCW Maul's best feat. Remember, TCW Maul is more powerful than TPM Maul. Applying logic, the more powerful combatant here is Rebels Maul.
I'll get to mindset later...
There's a key part you're missing here: Maul is still Maul.
Hence, unless you can prove Maul has degraded, Maul would get any feats earlier versions of Maul have.
And unsuprisngly, you completely ignored the argument I made earlier for Rebels Maul being more powerful. And yes, generally, gaining knowledge and mastery correlates with more powerful. Not to mention that aside from what someone reading what you've said what you think, Maul only spent a fraction of his time stranded on Malachor. He spent his time before that travelling the galaxy and looking for sh!t, troubling the empire to the point that he was considered a "shadow" and struck fear into all the inqusitors, and then after Malachor, was engaged in multiple fights, and was searching the galaxy.
So this notion that Maul was inactive is simply false.
So I'm at a loss for what you reasoning for Maul having degraded here is.
Nice false equivalency bro
The problem with Anakin was he wasn't committed to the darkside. He was conflicted, "vulnerable between two worlds".
The opposite is true for Maul who's commitment to the darkside strengthened as both his hate and anger grew.
That this would make a darksider weaker is up to you to prove.
Again, Maul is still the same character, so you need to prove there's a degradement for Maul to suddenly not to be capable of what versions of him who have had less time to grow are capable of.
I presented a power based argument with my first quote.
There's also the matter of the Feloni quote. I'm sure you will adamantly repeat ad nausea how you've debunked it. Though, I'd advise you to set a higher bar for yourself. Trying to apply the context of a separate quote from a different person to Feloni's statement is a pretty weak rebuttal.
Lol, that's not how it works buddy. It's uncertain whether or not Maul grew in power so he doesn't get his old feats unless it's proven that he hasn't declined. Or does ESB Yoda still get his feats from ROTS?
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Setting aside the argument I've made for Maul being more powerful...
Maul growing is just as possible as maul declining in terms of power(again, assuming there haven't been arguments already made).
Hence thor's original post which asserts Maul's pre-rebels feat mark him as more impressive is wholly dependent on the unproven assumption that Maul has declined.
I've already made a case for why I think maul is more powerful, however my response was to an assertion Thor made and hasn't bothered trying to fufill the burden of proof for
ESB Yoda was using the force to keep himself alive. Not a great example.
POLL - Darth Maul: TPM vs Rebels
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