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Originally posted by The Ellimist
- 24/7 mentally influenced/dominated the entire imperial military (trillions+) to the point where it basically collapsed without him
- enslaved and constantly drained the energies of the population of Byss (billions)
- mind-wiped the memory from witnesses of the super star destroyer Lusankya being lowered in the middle of f*cking Coruscant (trillions?)
- mentally dominated DE Luke (note: on a DS nexus and after defeating him)
- fogged the long-term foresight of the entire PT Jedi Order

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
It seems like Sidious has both superior individual-level (dominating DE Luke) feats than Valkorion.

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Originally posted by Geistalt
I don't know about that; Valkorion did dominate the entire strike team sent to arrest him.

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Originally posted by Nephthys

And that imperial military one is absolutely laughably false.

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDofPT
For actual answer to this thread, Palpatine can beat Vitiate's [entire] Empire single-handedly. Fellow members, have a look at these revelatons:

For the first time, the Death Star rocked. The collision with the exploding destroyer was only the beginning, leading to various systems breakdowns, which led to reactor meltdowns, which led to personnel panic, abandonment of posts, further malfunctions, and general chaos. Smoke was everywhere, substantial rumblings came from all directions at once, people were running and shouting. Electrical fires, steam explosions, cabin depressurizations, disruption of chain-of-command. Added to this, the continued bombardments by Rebel Cruisers—smelling fear in the enemy—merely heightened the sense of hysteria that was already pervasive. For the Emperor was dead. The central, powerful evil that had been the cohesive force to the Empire was gone; and when the dark side was this diffused, this nondirected—this was simply where it led.

Confusion.

Desperation.

Damp fear.

From (Star Wars: Return of the Jedi)

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Thrawn smiled back. "It is indeed. Tell me, Master C'baoth: are you familiar with the Imperial Fleet's disastrous defeat at the Battle of Endor five years ago?"

"I've heard rumors. One of the offworlders who came here spoke about it." C'baoth's gaze drifted to the window, to the palace/crypt visible across the square. "Though only briefly."
Pellaeon swallowed. Thrawn himself didn't seem to notice the implication. "Then you must have wondered how a few dozen Rebel ships could possibly rout an Imperial force that outgunned it by at least ten to one."

"I didn't spend much time with such wonderings," C'baoth said dryly. "I assumed that the Rebels were simply better warriors."

"In a sense, that's true," Thrawn agreed. "The Rebels did indeed fight better, but not because of any special abilities or training. They fought better than the Fleet because the Emperor was dead."

He turned to look at Pellaeon. "You were there, Captain—you must have noticed it. The sudden loss of coordination between crew members and ships; the loss of efficiency and discipline. The loss, in short, of that elusive quality we call fighting spirit."

"There was some confusion, yes," Pellaeon said stiffly. He was starting to see where Thrawn was going with this, and he didn't like it a bit. "But nothing that can't be explained by the normal stresses of battle."

One blue-black eyebrow went up, just slightly. "Really? The loss of the Executor—the sudden, last-minute TIE fighter incompetence that brought about the destruction of the Death Star itself—the loss of six other Star Destroyers in engagements that none of them should have had trouble with? All of that nothing but normal battle stress?"

"The Emperor was not directing the battle," Pellaeon snapped with a fire that startled him. "Not in any way. I was there, Admiral—I know."

"Yes, Captain, you were there," Thrawn said, his voice abruptly hard. "And it's time you gave up your blindfold and faced the truth, no matter how bitter you find it. You had no real fighting spirit of your own anymore—none of you in the Imperial Fleet did. It was the Emperor's will that drove you; the Emperor's mind that provided you with strength and resolve and efficiency. You were as dependent on that presence as if you were all borg-implanted into a combat Computer."

[...]

C'baoth snorted. "So is this what you want me for, Grand Admiral Thrawn?" he asked scornfully. "To turn your ships into puppets for you?"

"Not at all, Master C'baoth," Thrawn told him, his voice perfectly calm again. "My analogy with combat borg implants was a carefully considered one. The Emperor's fatal error was in seeking to control the entire Imperial Fleet personally, as completely and constantly as possible. That, over the long run, is what did the damage. My wish is merely to have you enhance the coordination between ships and task forces - and then only at critical times and in carefully selected combat situations."

From (Star Wars: Heir to the Empire)

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he Emperor, it had long been rumored, had had the ability to use the Force to exercise direct control over his military forces.

From (Star Wars: The Last Command)

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With the Emperor dead, the central, powerful evil that had been the cohesive force of the Empire was gone. With the Dark Side diffused and undirected, the Imperials were left with nothing but confusion, desperation, and damp fear. The sudden loss of coordination and fighting spirit allowed Han Solo, Princess Leia and the Rebel Commandos to disable the shield generator.

From (Star Wars: Heir to the Empire Sourcebook)

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At the decisive Battle of Endor, the Jedi returned to aid the Alliance in the form of Luke Skywalker and his father Anakin. The Emperor was killed, his fleet scattered, and his dark will which held the Empire together destroyed. Without its binding, the Empire began to unravel.

From (Star Wars: Heir to the Empire Sourcebook

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“Perhaps a few months ago, I would have scoffed at the idea of one man controlling or shaping the events of the galaxy through sheer force of will. I certainly did not agree with the Grand Admiral’s contention that the Imperial Navy’s loss at Endor was because were, in effect, enslaved to the Emperor, as if we were, in Thrawn’s words, ‘borg-implanted into a combat computer.’

“That was then. Now I see that the Grand Admiral, the worthiest successor to the Emperor’s throne to have yet appeared, was quite accurate in his assessment.”

From (Gilad Pellaeon, Star Wars: The Last Command Sourcebook)

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Palpatine knew precisely why the Empire couldn’t last without his dread power: he had designed it that way. No one ever suspected how much he relied on the Dark Side of the Force. He shaped those of his government by using the Force against them. He used it to control his fleets and to drive his soldiers on to victory. He used it to destroy his enemies from a distance and learn of conspiracies against him. Without it, there was no way the Empire could endure, as he had designed it. The Dark Side flowed through him like some primordial ichor and was the key to all his power.

From (Star Wars: Dark Empire Sourcebook

The above revelations reveal a critical truth. Palpatine have power to dominate ]entire] military of Galactic Empire with telepathy. Galactic Empire is much greater than Vitiate's Sith Empire per many sources. It is likely Palpatine would simply mentally enslave Vitiate's [entire] Empire and turn it against him. Vitiate stands no chance against true capabilities of Palpatine.

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
^^^

That sounds like Battle Meditation.

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
^ half of those quotes aren't from character perspectives.

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Originally posted by The_Tempest
GADM Declann was using Battle Meditation at Endor. But that actually doesn't contradict anything because the disarray at Endor is attributed to the Emperor's death diffusing the dark side.

Apparently Declann's efforts were in conjunction with the Emperor's general mindhax.

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Originally posted by Nephthys
How does his death diffusing the dark side prove he was using mindhax?

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Originally posted by The Ellimist
"Battle meditation" on a 24/7 basis across the entire galaxy on trillions of beings to such a degree that they collapse without it while simultaneously enslaving + draining Byss and reading Vader's thoughts?

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Originally posted by Nephthys
I know. As I said, they do not mean what you think they do.

The first quote takes place in the Battle of Endor, where Sidious was explicitly not using BM.

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Palptine transformed Byss into a focal point of Dark Side energy for himself from where he could not only draw power into himself but it would be the setting where he could ressurect himself after death.

As for Palpatine controlling his Empire with his powers, same is true for Vitiate and even Darth Malak. You do not need hyperbolic quotes to understand this.

No, Battle Meditation would not be a constant feature. However, descriptions you provided suggest that this was the case in the Battle of Endor. So Bastilla Shan TIER? Also, most of those statements are subjective interpretations of Palpatine's influence over his subjects from his followers.