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Dark-Kenshin
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Movie Snoke vs Movie RoTS Sidious

In a contest of raw force power. Movie feats only!

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Sidious.


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Isn't it confirmed that Snoke is the presence Sheev felt in Aftermath? Because that's insane wank.


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Movie feats only? Then it's tough to tell, but I'm going Sidious by virtue of his greater close range ability + senate pod throwing.


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I mean feat-wise Sheev has an advantage, yeah, but power-scaling wise Snoke can hold his own.


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Snokes feat, throwing around a force user, who only tapped into the force a week ago. Tking a non force user across several star systems. intimidated kylo with lightning/push.

Sidious, technically was blocking the entire jedi orders precog, during the ROTS movie, blitzed some of the best Jedi masters in the order in lightsaber combat/speed. Matched Yoda/defeated yoda. Blasted Mace windu with force lightning out a window.

yeah, we can see the clear winner.

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Spite thread. Sidious owns

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Canon has a shrine doing that, not Sheev. Tbh.


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Snoke destroys Sheev. This isn't close. Sheev couldn't even disarm Windu with his fl. Weak.


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Snoke yeah. Physically bridging force users from across the galaxy is>>>>throwing pods.

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Snoke yeah. Physically bridging force users from across the galaxy is>>>>throwing pods.


shit feat considering Snokes actual involvement in that is suspect at best. Kylo and Rey had the exact same connection after Snoke was killed so it stands to reason that Snoke had little to do with this feat originally. He may have set it up but these two clearly maintained this connection on their own.

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That's how I viewed it also. He opened the door, but they are the ones that maintain the link and contact each other at various points while both are thinking of the other or what have you.

Still a good feat, obviously.


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Going by just movies Palpatine is the only source to blocking not just the Jedi Ordera precog but weakening them overall in general.


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He may have set it up but these two clearly maintained this connection on their own.

Yeah setting up a physical connection between two beings from across the galaxy remains vastly more impressive than throwing around pods in your immediate vicinity.

No idea how you can consider that a shit feat. it's completely unprecedented, even taking into consideration feats from legend continuity.

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Sidious stomps


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Sidious stomps
False. He couldn't even beat let alone stomp Windu who is far weaker in the force. Snoke would rag doll him. He's simply too powerful for Sidious.


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False. He couldn't even beat let alone stomp Windu who is far weaker in the force. Snoke would rag doll him. He's simply too powerful for Sidious.
mmm interesting. What feats does Snoke have that can be more impressive than:

1) Blitzing and oneshotting 3 Jedi Masters, considered to be among the best duelists ever (Kit was said to be in the top 20 best Jedi ever)
2) Defeating Yoda, the most powerful Jedi who had lived up until that point (and in canon he may still be the 1# ever since Luke’s power is still up to debate)
3) Preventing the Jedi from sensing he was the dark lord of the sith for decades, despite being sorrounded by powerful Jedi

So question n1:
1) Has Snoke ever blitzed 3 Jedi among the best of the Order or other equally powerful force users?

Question n2:
2)Has Snoke ever defeated an opponent at least as powerful as Yoda?

If Yes than I concede Snoke is>Sidious, if No then... Untill Snoke has more feats i’ll Give Sidious the win
Ps. Some people also imply that since Rey=Kylo due to balance, then Snoke had to be=TLJ Luke for same reason, and you know if that’s true SPOILER Luke wasn’t that impressive in the movie so..
Also Sidious vs Mace has been discussed a lot, Sidious may have let him win for X reasons, or Mace legit defeated him due to Vaapad amp etc i’m not going to address it for the 192881818282nd time


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quote:


mmm interesting. What feats does Snoke have that can be more impressive than:

1) Blitzing and oneshotting 3 Jedi Masters, considered to be among the best duelists ever (Kit was said to be in the top 20 best Jedi ever)
2) Defeating Yoda, the most powerful Jedi who had lived up until that point (and in canon he may still be the 1# ever since Luke’s power is still up to debate)
3) Preventing the Jedi from sensing he was the dark lord of the sith for decades, despite being sorrounded by powerful Jedi
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Ok, I'll dive into this nonsense.


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Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
In a contest of raw force power. Movie feats only!


Since I want to play anyways despite this thread being about force power only and you relying on saber feats I'll be your huckleberry.

1) So you'd favor these Jedi over Anakin, Kenobi, or Windu ? I'll answer for you in case you decide to be dishonest no they don't. So they are simply not good enough. Mae see Windu is since he ya know overpowers and disarmed Sidious by himself. The rest aren't in this elite class. George Lucas would mock you for acting like this is an accomplishment for Darth Sidious.

2) We are discussing force power alone not their duel. In a test of force power we see Yoda stalemate him. Due to his poor position i.e. closer to the edge of the pod the result of the force of the blast knocks him off whereas Sidious holds onto the pod. With his limited time he didn't have enough time nor did it look good considering their environment to try one last ditch effort to make one last attempt. They are equals in force power I will admit to that because it's a fact.

3) That was the force balancing out the scales. We see it in Rey that her power rises to meet Kylo's in darkness through no effort of her own. The force tends to balance it all out. Not really a feat staying hidden IMO.






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So question n1:
1) Has Snoke ever blitzed 3 Jedi among the best of the Order or other equally powerful force users?[/B]
Not that we have seen no. What does that even matter ? Firstly, I t's off topic to the premise of the thread. Secondly, that was the situation he was in and he ended up losing the duel to Windu someone less powerful than Sidious in the force. This isn't about dueling. Although it severely hurts your case since Windu defeated a more force powerful Sidious.
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Question n2:
2)Has Snoke ever defeated an opponent at least as powerful as Yoda?

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We haven't seen him face off against Yoda. Going on by what Luke said Rey's power had only been felt by him once before in Solo. We see their power scared the likes of Luke who was trained by Yoda, felt Sidious' power first hand, and soundly defeated Darth Vader. I'd say it's safe to say he would defeat Yoda in force power based off statements and feats from the Last Jedi.

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If Yes than I concede Snoke is>Sidious, if No then... Untill Snoke has more feats i’ll Give Sidious the win
Ps. Some people also imply that since Rey=Kylo due to balance, then Snoke had to be=TLJ Luke for same reason, and you know if that’s true SPOILER Luke wasn’t that impressive in the movie so..
Also Sidious vs Mace has been discussed a lot, Sidious may have let him win for X reasons, or Mace legit defeated him due to Vaapad amp etc i’m not going to address it for the 192881818282nd time

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You don't need more feats to determine who is stronger it's how you match up to those and what their relative standings are. It's about the quality of the feats not the quantity. Most of the feats are exclusive situations but the force isn't about lifting the bigger rocks. Listen to Luke school Rey in what the force really is before basing this entirely off the quantity of feats.

Except Luke cut himself off from the force for years whereas Snoke didn't. Plus we see how Luke stacks up against Rey and Kylo compared to Snoke. There was no doubt when Snoke bulldozed through Rey to the obvious fact he wasn't just a little more powerful he was a lot more powerful. She was putty in his hands. We have never seen anyone this powerful just have no choice but to submit to Snoke's force will.

When we see Luke use the force to defend himself he fell on his backside when she drew in the lightsaber.


Luke was impressive in the film just nowhere near as impressive as Snoke

George said he was overpowered so that's not arguable. He lost the duel and save your fan made conjecture for what happened afterwards for another time.


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Sidious' Senate and Autistic Screech Vs Snoke's Presence and Force duality

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