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Revan Reborn vs. Count Dooku
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The Ellimist
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Revan Reborn vs. Count Dooku

Who wins?


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XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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Revan.


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The Ellimist
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nah


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Yes, he does.


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Dooku might take pure sabers, though.


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Dooku


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Revan, decent fight.


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The Ellimist
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Originally posted by Geistalt
Yes, he does.


Well we know that TPM Mace > beginning-of-novel Revan and Dark Rendevous Mace = Dooku so powerscaling probably puts Dooku above Revan Reborn.

Beyond that, it's not clear to me that Revan actually has better combat feats than Dooku.


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kek


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Surviving the 8 most powerful known combatants in the galaxy at the ToS.


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Surviving the 8 most powerful known combatants in the galaxy at the ToS.


Like the Smuggler? erm


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k; maybe not the most powerful, but
he only lost thanks to intervention from his light side.

Furthermore, the quote that claims Mace and Yoda were the most powerful masters to have walked the halls of the Temple on Coruscant was published before the creation of Revan, so it doesn't apply to him. Just like the TotJ quotes that Ulic Qel-Droma was the only person capable of challenging Exar Kun and the claim that Darth Sidious was the Dark Side's most powerful expression, and therefore stronger than Abeloth.


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k; maybe not the most powerful, but
he only lost thanks to intervention from his light side.


Evidence his light side actually physically intervenes in the fight itself?

quote:

Furthermore, the quote that claims Mace and Yoda were the most powerful masters to have walked the halls of the Temple on Coruscant was published before the creation of Revan, so it doesn't apply to him.


The OOU creation order of Revan doesn't have a reason to apply to an IU accolade, especially when the point is not to compare Mace to specific individuals but rather to establish his standing over the course of galactic history. Accolades like that would be pointless if they were anchored to a specific set of instantiated characters over the course of the millions of unnamed competitors.

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Just like the TotJ quotes that Ulic Qel-Droma was the only person capable of challenging Exar Kun and the claim that Darth Sidious was the Dark Side's most powerful expression, and therefore stronger than Abeloth.


There's a big difference in an accolade reasonably excluding esoteric godlike beings like Abeloth (which even we as vs. debaters exclude from most "most powerful" lists) and hidden Sith Emperors lurking in the unknown regions unaware of Exar Kun's existence, and excluding a major player in galactic history in Revan.


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quote: (post)
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Evidence his light side actually physically intervenes in the fight itself?

Towards the end of the fight, Light Revan just straight-up resurrects every member of the strike team that Dark Revan had killed up to that point.

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Huh? Really?

If thats true that gets rid of the "Revan couldn't even kill muggles" argument.


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slayne
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Yep. thumb up

quote:
Boon of the Spirit

"Target has been recently resurrected by an outside force, and cannot be resurrected in this manner again."


https://swtor.jedipedia.net/en/abl/boon-of-the-spirit

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So he can TK the Smuggler once, but not twice


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I only knew about the part where his light side lifts the staircases via TK and says "I am with you. Be strong."


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Nyriss' lightning could turn peeps into ash and Revan deflected it. So, Revan>Dooku.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Evidence his light side actually physically intervenes in the fight itself?



The OOU creation order of Revan doesn't have a reason to apply to an IU accolade, especially when the point is not to compare Mace to specific individuals but rather to establish his standing over the course of galactic history. Accolades like that would be pointless if they were anchored to a specific set of instantiated characters over the course of the millions of unnamed competitors.



There's a big difference in an accolade reasonably excluding esoteric godlike beings like Abeloth (which even we as vs. debaters exclude from most "most powerful" lists) and hidden Sith Emperors lurking in the unknown regions unaware of Exar Kun's existence, and excluding a major player in galactic history in Revan.


You cannot choose to whom these accolades should be applied to. DE has Sidious as the dark side's most powerful expression; therefore he is according to the DE lore. This line includes anything else too. Just because you say it is distinguishable from godlike beings won't make it true, sorry. That's how accolades work.


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