__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
If Plagueis' ability to shutdown midi-chlorians is instant(per Azronger), then he wins.
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Luke wins Sabers at least. The DE audiobook makes it clear Luke defeated Palps on his own during the duel and Leia only joined during the Force Storm.
__________________ "Vader's pulse and breathing were machine-regulated, so they could not quicken; but something in his chest became more electric around his meetings with the Emperor; he could not say how. A feeling of fullness, of power, of dark and demon mastery -- of secret lusts, unrestrained passion, wild submission -- all these things were in Vader's heart as he neared his Emperor. These things and more."
In the audiobook Leia also states that Luke and Palpatine were moving so fast that she could "hardly see them". Mind you, this was a Leia who, moments later, ran fast enough to escape the Eclipse's destruction by Palpatine's rampant Force Storm -- and given the flagship's sheer vastness, the implications of that are pretty staggering, tbh(ie. that she not only covered kilometers in seconds, but also that there was enough spare time to prep/launch their escape shuttle before the ship was obliterated.) But I digress...
And it's no secret, but the DE Handbook also confirms that Palpatine was "more powerful than ever" at the time. So yeah... /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 20th, 2018 at 01:12 PM
She didn't use Force speed there, you know...
It's just like the Flash. If he doesn't use his powers: He cannot perceive Professor Zoom when speeding around.
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
The Eclipse was a Dark Side nexus, so... But it's impressive for both Luke and Leia.
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
I'm merely saying that Leia obviously had access to *some* level of enhanced perceptions/reactions, yet outright stated that she could not perceive their battle at all. All she could do is sense what was happening via the ebb and flow of the light and dark sides of the force around her. Is it a testament to Luke and Palpatine's speed? I think so, but you're welcome to disagree.
Regardless, the primary thing to take away is that the audiobook confirmed Luke bested Palpatine there, without Leia 'amping' him in any way.
Given that said battle took place ON the Eclipse, I'm not sure why you even felt the need to mention this..? Does it make what I said any less accurate..?
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 20th, 2018 at 01:26 PM
1. But she wasn't using Force speed. That's the power which allows one to move at fast speeds and see everything moving 'slower'
2. Well, it's a Dark Side focal. So it amplified Sidious' Force connection and hindered Luke and Leia's.
__________________ RealistRacism: "Sheevites, much like the Banites, were meant to increase in power with each member. From Lightsnake to Gideon to Azronger, this was supposed to be the case. However, knowledge must've been lost in some kind of Gravid-like incident, as Az turned out to be a mid-tier debater with a sub-par track record, sh!itting all over Tempest's legacy. Sad."
Linear running isn't the only time a force-user's perception/reaction capacities can become heightened, lol. But again, you're welcome to disagree -- doesn't change the end result, nor is it something I care to debate with you beyond this.
And this changes anything I said... How?
Why do you insist in popping-into nearly every thread and arguing for the sake of arguing?
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 20th, 2018 at 01:52 PM
__________________ "Happiness is a lie. Life is horror. The light is always dying all across the universe. The last star will flicker out someday, when it does, all that remains is shadow. And I will be its king!"'-Amahl Farouk