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ESB Vader vs AOTC Mace Windu
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ESB Vader vs AOTC Mace Windu

Rules: Vader as of Empire Strikes Back
Mace as of Attack of the Clones


Round 1: Sabers only
Round 2: Force only
Round 3: All out

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1. mace windu
2. darth vader
3. darth vader


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Originally posted by victreebelvictr
1. mace windu
2. darth vader
3. darth vader


Agree

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nah Mace pulls a Jango and lops Vaders head off

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Vader one-shots


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Vader one-shots
i would never say one-shots, windu would put up a fight.


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ok, compare Mace Windu fighting in the Geonosian arena to Vader vs Luke in Bespin... no way that Frankenstein moving cyborg could even touch Mace Windu.... this is the major issue of comparing the fighters by their film appearances... the OT will always lose out based on choreography alone.

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Who is comparing them via how they look on film?


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The movies make some characters look bad like poor grievous you know


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Originally posted by Trocity
Who is comparing them via how they look on film?


OP says Mace from ATOC and Vader from ESB which are films

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Originally posted by relentless1
OP says Mace from ATOC and Vader from ESB which are films



Its a reference to that point in time in Canon.

But Canon doesnt go out of the window unless the OP states - Movies ONLY.

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Honestly, Sam Jack in AotC wasn't doing all that impressively. All of Mace Windu's hype comes from out of the movies. His killing of Jango Fett is pretty slow and just makes Fett look unimpressive, and his duel against Sidious is slow-paced outside of a scene with a stunt actor and a scene with a CGI Sheev. Going purely on movies, Vader os way more impressive in terms of choreography.

Now, taking sources from outside of the movies into consideration, Windu is substantially more impressive. He's clearly got a speed edge on Vader, but it's hard to say who has a skill edge. We've got plenty of evidence of Vader tanking lightsaber strikes, so he gets a solid durability edge. Overall, I'd say as physical combatants, they're close to even. Vader has more wins under his belt right now, but Windu has beaten Sidious in a duel, so I'd say they're at least comparable.

Where this really becomes Vader's game is when we address Firce powers. Vader is the Chosen One. His potential in Canon doesn't appear hindered the way it was in Legends. Vader's pre-Empire showings of power have a magnitude to them that puts anything we've seen from Mace to shame.

So, in round 1, I can see it going either way. Round 2, Vader, no contest. Round 3, Vader for a solid majority, but not easily.

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[QUOTE=16684247]Originally posted by Underachiever59

Now, taking sources from outside of the movies into consideration, Windu is substantially more impressive. He's clearly got a speed edge on Vader, but it's hard to say who has a skill edge. We've got plenty of evidence of Vader tanking lightsaber strikes, so he gets a solid durability edge. Overall, I'd say as physical combatants, they're close to even. Vader has more wins under his belt right now, but Windu has beaten Sidious in a duel, so I'd say they're at least comparable.

Sidious threw the fight to get Anakin’s trust you know

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can't use Windu vs Sidious as an example because Sidious threw the fight

And I dunno what choreography youre watching but his movement and skill in AOTC dwarfs slow ass Vader who can barely move.

Also Mace has plenty of Force feats that put him up there; like the time he scattered an entire battalion of droids surrounding him

Also using Force wave to such an extent that he outright destroys droids rather than just throwing them back

He manhandled a walker with ease on Ryloth

Not to mention Shatterpoint ability

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can't use Windu vs Sidious as an example because Sidious threw the fight

And I dunno what choreography youre watching but his movement and skill in AOTC dwarfs slow ass Vader who can barely move.

Also Mace has plenty of Force feats that put him up there; like the time he scattered an entire battalion of droids surrounding him

Also using Force wave to such an extent that he outright destroys droids rather than just throwing them back

He manhandled a walker with ease on Ryloth

Not to mention Shatterpoint ability
made would win only due to shatterpoint,


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can't use Windu vs Sidious as an example because Sidious threw the fight



Meh, regardless of what really happened there at the end, Lucas confirmed Mace can compete against Sidious.

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Meh, regardless of what really happened there at the end, Lucas confirmed Mace can compete against Sidious.
he threw the fight!


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Meh, regardless of what really happened there at the end, Lucas confirmed Mace can compete against Sidious.


yeah but its not just the end, its the whole fight, its clear Sidious was stalling and playing with Mace the whole time

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Yes, it is, waiting for Anakin to arrive. Palpatine had the high ground the whole time wink


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Yes, it is, waiting for Anakin to arrive. Palpatine had the high ground the whole time wink


thumb up

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