Is this directed at me? If so, that doesn't matter. AotC Kenobi evidently wasn't Kit's limit. In fact, Qui-Gon would have to be comfortably superior to AotC Kenobi to match Kit.
I mean, why can't Qui-Gon be comfortably superior to AotC Kenobi? I haven't really seen any reasoning behind it so far. Dooku was definitely unimpressed with Kenobi's performance, for one, expecting more from Qui-Gon's padawan.
I suppose my instinctive reasoning is that Kenobi was already fairly close to Qui-Gon by TPM, and thus, after 10 years of practice, he would at least be around Qui-Gon's level. Take it as you will.
Not fairly confident in that assessment. Jinn has better accolades than AotC Kenobi, such as being one of the best pure swordsmen the order had ever seen, comfortably above Anoon Bondara, considered a challenge by Maul, mastered Makashi and other fighting techniques etc. Kenobi got toyed with by Dooku basically, and Dooku was apparently quite unsatisfied with Kenobi's performance.
I'm open to ideas that prove a relative parity between AotC Kenobi and Qui-Gon. Though I still doubt that Kenobi was so good as to be at parity with Jinn in sabers despite being only half his age.
I'm well aware of those accolades. That Kenobi was trounced by Dooku is hardly relevant; Jinn was comfortably beaten by Maul. For one, even with Kenobi's help he failed to overcome Maul. Two, Dooku outclasses Maul anyway.
This is where we're getting into guessing territory. To my knowledge, there's no source that examines how close Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were to each other as warriors. Until we know, we can't really say for sure whether Obi-Wan by AotC would have transcended him.
Because a 17 year old Obi Wan pushed Qui Gon to his limits in a sparring contest, with both of them being panting messes when it was done. Because IIRC there are quotes stating that TPM Obi Wan would be his equal if not for his inexperience.
That Qui Gon has quotes is irrelevant. Obi Wan has around 4 quotes stating he is among the best in the order before or during TPM, with one of them being when he was a teenager so he easily stacks up to a level close to Qui Gon at least.
Now there is not a single reason why AoTC Obi Wan shouldn't beat him solidly unless you want to assert that he didn't grow much during that period
Also, Kenobi is a significantly greater prodigy than Qui Gon, so he is on his general level by TPM. It has nothing to do with age, he is simply more talented.
Was he though? Qui-Gon beat all his peers as a kid in lightsaber combat, hence Dooku taking him on as his apprentice. There's no reason to believe that Kenobi was considerably more prodigious than Jinn, though Jinn does admit that eventually Kenobi would surpass him.
Yes, but there's obviously tiers inside each level. If Fisto was a 7, then TPM Kenobi would be an extremely low 7, if not a high 6 bordering 7. I consider Jinn a high 7.
IIRC, Kenobi had started to learn Soresu by AotC, but he obviously defaulted to Ataru against Dooku as he had more experience and confidence in it.
Dec 10th, 2018 03:44 PM
