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Savage Opress vs TPM Yoda

Fight takes place on Tatooine, right outside the Lars home.


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???

Why do you hate Savage?

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He didn't. Savage will end that fight in one piece at least. Like Ventress. Make it "bloodlusted" Yoda and it will be funny.

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???

Why do you hate Savage?


Tbf, Savage can take this via a lopsided scaling, given it's TPM Yoda. Savage is more powerful than mid-TCW Ventress, who can immensely press Mace Windu, somebody far more powerful than his TPM iteration who's comparable to Yoda.

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Savage gets absolutely slaughtered.


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Yoda demolishes barehanded


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???

Why do you hate Savage?


???


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It really is no contest. Savage might handle Yoda for 1-2 minutes in sabres but if Yoda did not kill him shortly after with a clean slash he would use his force powers to absolutely ragdoll Savage. Yoda takes this 10/10.

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LOL what? Savage'll be lucky if he can handle Yoda for 1-2 seconds in sabers. Yoda absolutely obliterates 10/10 in 5-10 seconds.


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Yes, asuming that Savage would least more then 10 seconds against Yoda in sabers is... naive. Even 10 seconds seems to be unlikely if Yoda would decide to beat him. I agree with Mizukage Yoda.

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Guys, let's not forget that TPM Yoda hasn't gone through the spiritual growth that an older, more mentally mature and alert Yoda went through between AotC and RotS. I think Yoda more than likely remain stagnant between TPM and AotC, though I can be convinced otherwise. But you can't use RotS Yoda's feats for TPM Yoda because up until TPM, all the Jedi were complacent because they were under the delusion that they were in a time of peace and that the Sith were extinct. Now suddenly the Sith are back, the Clone Wars is a thing, and Yoda has a much more convicting reason than he has ever had in his entire 900 year old ass life to actually be ready for a fight with the Jedi's ancient enemy and to actually focus on his combative prowess.


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And? Doesn't matter at all. There were some quotes, at least in Legends, suggesting that Yoda has lost some of his raw power in the Force between TPM and ROTS. Anyway, at the time of AOTC, when in your opinion he was still stagnant, he was capable of overpowering Dooku. Savage would be terribly stomped by any version of Yoda, that was seen in any of the movies. TPM/AOTC/ROTS Yoda would stomp him in any category, TESB Yoda would stomp him with TK, ROTJ Yoda would die, and return as Force ghost and destroy him with his lightning powers, shown in TLJ big grin Geez, what a stupid movie it was. Like all created by Shitsney. With an exeption of R1.

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And? Doesn't matter at all. There were some quotes, at least in Legends, suggesting that Yoda has lost some of his raw power in the Force between TPM and ROTS. Anyway, at the time of AOTC, when in your opinion he was still stagnant, he was capable of overpowering Dooku. Savage would be terribly stomped by any version of Yoda, that was seen in any of the movies. TPM/AOTC/ROTS Yoda would stomp him in any category, TESB Yoda would stomp him with TK, ROTJ Yoda would die, and return as Force ghost and destroy him with his lightning powers, shown in TLJ big grin Geez, what a stupid movie it was. Like all created by Shitsney. With an exeption of R1.


Source for statements saying that Yoda lost raw power? AotC Yoda and AotC Dooku were explicitly stated to be equals in AotC DVD commentary, RotS Dooku has been confirmed as more powerful than his AotC self, so if you're subscribing to the view that Yoda didn't grow between TPM and RotS despite his mental/spiritual experiences in TCW, then you'll have to accept that RotS Dooku is more powerful than PT Yoda.


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Source for statements saying that Yoda lost raw power? AotC Yoda and AotC Dooku were explicitly stated to be equals in AotC DVD commentary, RotS Dooku has been confirmed as more powerful than his AotC self, so if you're subscribing to the view that Yoda didn't grow between TPM and RotS despite his mental/spiritual experiences in TCW, then you'll have to accept that RotS Dooku is more powerful than PT Yoda.


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I'm not even joking:

quote:
George Lucas: You can't just go right into the sword fight, so I decided to go back to The Empire Strikes Back of throwing things at each other, even though I knew they were equal to each other, so it was a hopeless gesture and they would've figured that out in two seconds. But for the audience it's nice for them to go through
this process of everybody throwing everything around.

Source -- Attack of the Clones DVD Commentary.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzzckJOwSlk

George let the Force clash between Dooku and Yoda run on for as long as it did to give the audience something to marvel over, but he knew Yoda and Count Dooku were equals and they would have figured this out right away, knowing any attack was hopeless. Lucas also says Yoda is "much more powerful" than Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi because he can block lightning with his hands, for what it's worth. These words go nicely with Animation Director Rob Coleman's comment that Lucas wanted "an amazing clash between two ultimate masters of opposite sides of the Force," and Pablo Hidalgo who says "The two Force warriors attempted to defeat each other with displays of telekinesis and other Force abilities, but they were too evenly matched," so there's nothing amusing about it.

And this is only AotC Dooku; RotS Dooku is more powerful than AotC Dooku...

quote:
"Dooku had at his disposal a Sith holocron. This powerful and ancient dark side resource enhanced his own powers and helped to entice other Force users into the Separatist cause." -- Star Wars Fact File Issue #116


quote:
"As the Clone Wars reached their conclusion, Dooku became increasingly confident in his abilities" -- Star Wars: Episode III Souvenir Guide.


Moral of the story: RotS Dooku > AotC Dooku = AotC Yoda.


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Regarding Dooku's growth, there's also this:

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-Fact Files v3 #78.


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Yeah, Dooku is Yoda tier. In Legends, anyways.


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Regarding Dooku's growth, there's also this:

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-Fact Files v3 #78.


Hey Galan, do you have access to the 2014 Fact Files Magazines? I've been trying to get my hands on them but had no luck.


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Regarding Dooku's growth, there's also this:

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-Fact Files v3 #78.


So, Anakin defeated a Dooku that was stronger than the Dooku, who held his own against Yoda. Interesting.

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Hey Galan, do you have access to the 2014 Fact Files Magazines? I've been trying to get my hands on them but had no luck.
You talking about this series/volume?
https://i.imgur.com/3tC0CNX.png


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