I dont see why Mace would beat him if he gets past Anakin.
But thats just me.
Also feel Luke whose just become a Jedi with 4 years of mostly self training, beating Anakin who had 10years of training under a Jedi plus 3 more years of mastering his abilities post becoming a Jedi, would make little/no sense.
It's hard to tell where Luke is in rotj if this is canon. All we really have to go off is his fight with Vader. We know Vader was super conflicted in his fight with his son and he wasn't trying to kill him... Had they both been out for blood and Luke beat him, I'd say Luke clears soundly.
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I think this is from Beware of the Dark Side [2017] it implies that Vader is at least 100%. Luke still has his dark side amp though, so it depends on how significant you think the amp is.
Don't think there's anything in canon that proves Anakin can fight Sidious level opponents. It doesn't really make much sense to me that Anakin would be weaker than Luke, but the evidence points to Luke being stronger, imo.
Canon Vader is a monster and if we scale Luke off him he should be able to clear. Now, Vader was conflicted as we know, but lets not forget that Luke lowered his defenses twice in the ROTJ fight and Vader attacked him both times. He was still lethal. One wrong move and Luke would have been dead.
He was conflicted. But even without that, he clearly wasnt going for the kill the way he was against say Ben Kenobi.
So we have nothing to compare Lukes TK to Vaders tbh. It was a Saber only fight where they are both trying to convert each other to their side, not ragdoll each other.
"Father and son were now equally strong with the Force, and equally skilled with their lightsabers."
Luke and Vader not trying to kill each other doesn't change the fact that they were intended to be equals(and that was before Luke tapped into the dark side.)
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Last edited by Galan007 on Mar 18th, 2020 at 04:27 PM
He swung at him while Luke's saber was of. Twice. You can't honestly say he wasn't trying. And Luke wasn't going all out on Vader either. Not until Vader threatened Leia.
No, but now we have pre-ESB Luke shaking Star Destroyers and Luke shortly after ROTJ bringing down Star Destroyers in the battle of Jakku. His TK is implied to be pretty monstrous.