I wasnt sure i think Canon mentions it that when Sidious fought Mace and when Mace had got the upper hand: Sidious only lost on purpose to deceive anankin and turn him to the dark side or did sidious go all out on mace ?
If Sidious really fought Mace could he have beaten him easily in that light saber duel even though mace had vaapad: was it effective against sidious or had no affect on him ?
It's been years, but IIRC George Lucas confirmed Sids lost the saber fight. Horribly, I might add, since having your weapon front kicked out of your hands is the equivalent of being giving a wet willie KO in boxing.
If you're taking EU strongly into consideration, Mace is closer to Yoda than you'd think in terms of dueling ability and is primed to deal with Dark Side users because of Vaapad/Shatterpoint. It's not an instant or guaranteed win card, but it helps. Sids only has on-screen lightsaber domination of three mid tier Jedi masters, clustered in a doorway, with their AI turned off so as to prevent a counterattack against what must be a 4-5 second spin before landing before a thrust...
Sorry, my brain hurts thinking about how dumb that entire scene was. GL had an opportunity and a half to make Sids a good duelist, and he squandered it willingly.
Sidious was a great duelist, but he was an even more formidable force user and could have killed Mace with the force after being disarmed if he wanted to. But Anakin showed up so he didn’t.
Last edited by xPRIMEx on Mar 30th, 2020 at 08:40 PM
Mace legit beat him in the duel though. Keep in mind that Yoda was also able to disarm Sidious, but Sidious then resorted to his force abilities to over power Yoda.
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There's a part in the duel where Palpatine has Mace at bladepoint and doesn't take the lunge. IMO looks like Palpatine spared Mace even if he did legitimately disarm him.
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Even though they only fought for about 1 minute, I suppose that still scales Talzin pretty high, considering that was her only real saber battle(the possessed Dooku vs. Palpatine scene from SoD notwithstanding.)
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Right, but can't say for sure if Talzin would've had the same control of Dooku's body that she had of her own.
Palpatine was able to tell within a few strikes/seconds that Talzin-possessed Dooku had "none of his skill"... But I'm hard-pressed to think that someone with none of Dooku's skill would have been able to stalemate Mace(even if their battle was brief.)
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 1st, 2020 at 05:27 PM
Early Legends canon (maybe even Shatterpoint itself) indicated Dooku was the only real threat to Mace Windu's saber technique, with Yoda being an obvious head and shoulders over both. But actual precision and talent are Dooku's hallmarks, and Vastor has shown that even a rudimentary knowledge of the Force coupled with considerable raw power is a handful.
But here's the thing: if Talzin herself is far inferior to Dooku where saber skill is concerned, then she would have been utterly rape-stomped by Mace within the first few strikes... But she wasn't at all. Their saber fight was brief(only about a minute long), but Talzin was at least capable of holding her own.
So the only logical way to consolidate Palpatine's statement about Talzin-possessed Dooku's skill here(which he made within seconds after their clash began, mind you): https://i.imgur.com/KBPf7yL.jpg
Is if we assume that Talzin was simply unable to use the full breadth of her skill while possessing Dooku's body.
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