Let's say a wormhole across galaxies is opened up. The Covenant Navy, a Sangheili fleet, an Insurrectionist fleet, and the UNSC Navy are sucked in. A 100,000 years earlier, the Human Empire and the Ecumene Navies are also brought in. A Flood infected fleet also is sucked in. They land in the Star Wars Galaxy, where a time distortion has brought in factions from all over time. The Rakata, Jedi, Old Republic, Galactic Empire, Darth Krayt's Empire, the Sith, Rebel Alliance, Galactic Alliance, Yuuzhan Vong, Mandalorians, bounty hunters, smugglers, and the Confederacy. The Empire includes post civil war factions like the Remnant, Thrawn's Confederation, and the Fel Dynasty. The Sith include sith empires and orders. As the civil war rages on, the UNSC, and Sangheili are transported to the same place as the Human Empire. The Ecumene, Insurrectionists, and Covenant are at one place. The Flood is transported to an isolated Unknown Region zone. The Humans, and Sangheili decided to help the Old Republic, Jedi, New Republic, Smugglers, Galactic and Rebel Alliances. The Covenant, Insurrectionists and Ecumene join the Dark side forces. The Flood is found by the Yuuzhan Vong and tamed by their bioengineering. But a Halo Ring has teleported into the Galaxy, and all three factions vie for it. Who will win? I'm gonna say Dark side. First of all, there are many feared Forerunner, Covenant, and Imperial admirals. Plus the Sith are on their side. They easily outnumber all others, and their technology can outclass the others.
The UNSC and Covenant each probably have hundreds of millions of soldiers. but they're on different sides. The Galactic Empire had a few billion soldiers. And considering that trillions of battle droids of all kinds were made in the Clone Wars. The Galactic Empire also created many superweapons, and they had many veteran admirals and generals from the Republic. The Covenant fleet is also pretty decent, as seeing how a single corvette wreaked havoc at Sword Base on Reach. The covenant corvettes are as big as a UNSC light cruiser. And the forerunners are pretty good, they're keyship was huge fitting right into High Charity's center. But the Flood are not your average Walking Dead Zombies. As seen in Halo 4, the Flood have the power to control other ships. Combat forms can carry weapons. But Infinity can probably beat up an Imperial fleet. It carriers 10 frigates. So yeah, i'd also say each side has its pros and cons. The Light have the Jedi, the Dark have superior numbers and tech. And the Flood have the backing of the Yuuzhan Vong who killed 345 million people.
There are many reasons why Halo would beat Star Wars. I don't think the UNSC is one of them. And the SPARTAN programs won't do an awful lot in the long-run, IMO.
None of the Assault Rifles use explosive rounds, as far as I know. That being said, yeah, Stormtrooper armor wouldn't work well against UNSC ballistics.
I'd have to disagree on this one. A sufficient amount of blaster fire will drain their shielding and, ultimately, kill them.
While most Force users would get their skulls caved in by a single punch from a Spartan, I think some of the higher-level Force users would crush any Spartan. Think guys such as Reborn Sidious, Grandmaster Luke, et cetera.
Perhaps. The problem, though, is that the Empire is in possession of a million systems and has 25,000 Star Destroyers. Post-War UNSC ships may have quality (It pretty much depends on which calculations in use.), but the Empire is bringing in far more assets. The Stormtrooper Corps alone is packing trillions. I doubt the UNSC's population is even close to that after having many of their worlds glassed.
So some barely Captain America tier beings are going to matter against shit like orbital bombardment and planet busting lasers, mass production of ISD-II's and overwhelmingly superior logistical ability?
As for force users, most decently powerful ones (ie Vader) would be enough to manhandle Spartans
EDIT: What puts Halo ships above Star Wars ships? Halo 3 and before Star Wars stomped the yard in terms of firepower/shield durability
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I think Spartans would be >> Captain America. I mean their armor alone is supposed to weigh half a ton, and they're able to run at 15mph or something in that armor so they have to be at least Class 2 in terms of strength, probably stronger (note that I don't count them flipping tanks as that seems more like a game mechanic--if it counted though they'd be Class 50 or so)
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No one wins. One of the factions reaches the Halo and activates it.
Spartans mean shit here. Actually... most of the Halo factions mean nothing here. Their technology doesn't have the power behind it that the magical Star Wars tech does. Nor the sheer numbers that an entire civilization's worth of beings brings. 25,000+ years of population for the Old Republic alone? They'd overwhelm everyone.
Halo tech doesn't have the shields, firepower, speed, or numbers that SW does. Halo is science fiction, SW is science fantasy. Their technology is essentially magic. And sometimes they use actual magic.
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Not at all. Considering that the Forerunners are faster than anyone here. Normally, it would be the Flood, but the OP hilariously nerfed them.
Funny, because I wouldn't consider the UNSC and the Covenant to be "most of the Halo factions."
That's strange, because I don't recall Star Wars ships having consistent petaton-level firepower. Nor superweapons that destroy any-and-all sentient life for tens-to-hundreds-of-thousands of lightyears.
Definitely not a good argument, but I'll entertain it. The Forerunner Ecumene has been around for at least 1 million years.
And the rest here is just nonsense that I feel no need to entertain.
Faster as in interstellar travel, or faster as in sublight, ship-to-ship fighting? The former I think is true, they essentially teleport around the galaxy. But once their warships and armadas are in place, what's their subliminal speed? Can they quickly outmaneuver capital ships and snubfighters?
As far as I've ever seen, the weapons and shields of the Halo universe don't seem as marvelously overpowered as Star Wars'.
I didn't say they were.
Well the Shawken Device "allegedly" had the potential to destroy the entire Universe. And then there's the Bedlam Spirits. They're not part of the OP's faction roster, but apparently literal gods are just a thing in that universe.
And by "consistent petaton-level firepower", what are you referring to? I know of the NOVA Bomb, a nuclear bomb superweapon used to destroy planets (something Star Wars has never had any shortage of). But just like the Sun Crusher or the Death Star, these aren't the guns on the sides or mounts of battleships or cruisers. What's the power output of the typical weapons system of a Halo ship (any faction)? I can't find anything (via Google at least) that lists specific outputs for Halo weapons. I know the UNSC MAC cannon on the orbital platforms yield a shot equivalent to 51.6 gigatons of TNT. Single shots obliterate Covenant battlecruisers.
The output of a single shot from a turbolaser on an Acclamator Star Destroyer is 200 gigatons. One shot. From a troop carrier. Imagine what the shields of the capital ships can take?
Iunno, maybe I've missed something from newer Halo material that I haven't seen. Do you have any links to the power outputs of Halo weapons and shields?
Oh, well then, fair enough.
Okay... there's no need to be snide.
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I'd say the Forerunners have it in both departments. We do, after all, read in the Halo 3 terminals that Offensive Bias accelerated his ships to the point that it crushed the crews into liquescence. At a low-end, that would easily 10,000 gees of acceleration.
The Shawken Device would not have worked.
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There's no conceivable way that planetary fragments going at sublight speeds could destroy a universe. This is further supported in the comic where they even say that the device was never even tested.
While impressive in its own right, we know very little of what the Bedlam Spirits are capable of. The most impressive feats I can recall are sending people back in time, matter manipulation, and being capable of reviving the dead.
This is probably the most frustrating part of SW Vs. Halo debates. I say that because, SW and UNSC/Covenant firepower is not very consistent. For example, we have 200 GT shots from the Acclamator in the AotC ICS, but then in the Death Star novel, they say that they needed the Death Star because none of their ships were capable of leveling a city.
For the UNSC, we have 64 KT for a Frigate MAC and 51.6 GT for a SMAC. But then you see the Halo Encyclopedia and it says that a Frigate MAC can dish out 1.17 TT while a SMAC can dish out 9.98 TT.
But I digress. In Halo Escalation, we see a Halo fragment survive (at a low-end) an impact that was roughly 1 PT. And in Halo Cryptum, Forerunner ships were capable of destroying chunks of larger Halos. And then, once again, in Escalation, they reveal glassing cannons that were stated to be able to melt continents. This managed to poke holes into the UNSC Infinity. Then you have Halo 4, where Mantle's Approach was going to cause just as much, if not more damage to Infinity with merely its quaternary armament.
I don't really have links since a lot of it comes from books. Though I could point you towards a respect thread (which, if I'm going to be honest, I don't really care for) that gives you a decent picture of what the Forerunners can do.
My apologies. I had no intention of sounding like that. In fact, I tried editing my post last night because I realized how insulting it sounded, but I guess you can't edit posts after 15 minutes.
Lord Lucien does raise valid points. Both sides would be hell bent on killing each other . . . but LL, neither side would be willing to fire the HALO rings. Not only would the rings wipe out the UNSC, it would destroy the Empire and that includes the Emperor and Vader. Palpatine and Vader despite their power in the Force, would not be willing to kill themselves just to win a war.
I have to disagree with LL on the SPARTAN program. If you are just considering the SPARTAN III & IV programs, of course those are a failure. But the SPARTAN IIs were a different breed. They were/are considered "Perfect Soldiers & Hyper Lethal." Stormtroopers are pretty dumb fighters where SPARTAN II were selected for their physical strength and intelligence. I could give other facts about their abilities, but will not.
As for the record, I never said they could defeat a Force user with the power like Vader or Palpatine.
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The elites glassed the infected base/city as well as the surrounding area to be on the safe side.
The "surrounding area" being half of Africa, lol.
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